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Posted about 7 years ago

 

http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/potw/40/somebodys-watching-you

Makes me sick! What say you all?

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As usual, the "police brutality" is conveniently edited so as to only show the actions taken by the officer(s). "For every action there is an equal and/or greater reaction". The events and/or actions that lead up to the so-called "brutality" is left out, showing ONLY the actions of the officer(s) once the suspect has set scenerio into motion. The "cameraman" either waits to start shooting until AFTER the initiation of the situation, or the footage PRIOR to what is shown is deleated...

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

That is so messed up... but when they need the police they will kiss their a** and beg and plead for protection.. hotcop204 what you said is very true... on YouTube there a video of our cops, Philadelphia, "beating" up a person... well the left out the part of him starting the fight with them... sometimes it makes me wonder how the polcie officers today can deal with the public

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Makes me sick too! What do these people think the officers are supposed to do when someone resists arrest? I totally agree with hotcop204, the events/actions that lead up to this is not shown. They do not tell or show what the person did and why they are being arrested in the first place.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

"I raise my fist because I want that justice; don't get my freedom, gonna have to take my freedom." is his quote. What about the freedoms he took away from others on his road to becoming a felon?

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

It sure sounds like the same banter that has been going on here since the 60's. A couple of links for you.

Same ol stuff if you ask me... But never forget that these people belive their own trash. That is dangerous...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_People's_Democratic_Uhuru_Movement

http://socialjustice.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/index.php/National_People's_Democratic_Uhuru_Movement

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

It has always been the same the criminals have more rights than the good guys . I think their list is ten pages longer of what their rights are while the good guys only have about 5 pages of rights. makes me sick

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I like newtons third law, that was great. You ever notice that its always the felons and people who have warrants that tape these? Might tell you something. It's always the people in trouble with the law that try to get the law in trouble with itself. We have an officer facing prison time for self defense actions against illegal immigrants that drove away from him and endangered his life. We need to protect our own and we arent doing that! We are offering immigrants immunity to testify against our law enforcement official that were acting in the interest of their lives and the people.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

No uncommon where I work. Copwatch is very common here. We deal with them on a daily basis. I guess maybe I just have gotten use to dealing with them.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I know what it feels like to be vidoe taped, edited, and put onto the internet. It pisses me off, but I sure as hell will never give these clowns an ounce of my fear, they dont deserve it. But as you guys already touched on, he's a convicted felon and therefore as all the rights then some, why, who knows. It is sad.

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Ok, I understand where you all are coming from, BUT, how about this scenario.... A man's home gets raided because someone says he is selling dope and other things (he was a smoker of pot,never touched any other type of drug, not a seller, doesn't make it right- him smoking weed- but doesn't make him a dealer either) The man is ON THE FLOOR, NOT RESISTING....got me so far? His young 10 year old daughter is crying, he lifts his head and askes the officers to please be careful, the child has a heart condition, he doesn't want her to have a heart attack. The police officer responds by kicking him four times in his kidneys and telling him to shut the f*ck up......and does this IN FRONT OF THE CHILD. THEN, the officer calls the child a liar when the child tells her counselor and CPS about it.
Was that ok? I don't think so. No, the man arrested should not have been smoking pot. (That was the only drug he did), but he did not go back to smoking it after that incident. He learned his lesson and has been clean for over a year. Still, I think the officer in question should have been held accountable for his actions. Even the counselor and CPS worker said that from what the child told them, the man did not deserve that kind of treatment from the officer.
Any opinions?


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Entirely his fault. If he was a law abiding citizen instead of a pothead smoking in front of his 10yr old kid, none of this woulda happened!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

curious, do you know how hard it is to get a search warrent? i have served and wrote many, i never heard of a judge signing a warrent because someone said dude was a dealer.. it requires a little more than that to get a warrent.. !

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Police being brutal yes? But somehow, not breaking the laws does seem to magically keep the police away.

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No thanos it was not entirely his fault. He was cooperating with the police, the officer had no reason to do what he did. As for getting a search warrant being hard...maybe where you live, but not here. I was told by another officer who went to a different PD because of the BS here, that the officer in question has falsified information on search warrant requests and other paperwork on numerous occasions. I was given a lot of information of the workings of this particular PD..... The officer I spoke with is the father of a good friend of mine...he is one of the most decent people I have ever met. There are many people in this town who are aware of this officers behavior. He is well known for being an incompetent ________. (fill in the blank...with the worst description you can think of, and it would fit)


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JESSIEANGEL:
"Ok, I understand where you all are coming from, BUT, how about this scenario…. A man’s home gets raided because someone says he is selling dope and other things (he was a smoker of pot,never touched any other type of drug, not a seller, doesn’t make it right- him smoking weed- but doesn’t make him a dealer either) The man is ON THE FLOOR, NOT RESISTING….got me so far? His young 10 year old daughter is crying, he lifts his head and askes the officers to please be careful, the child has a heart condition, he doesn’t want her to have a heart attack. The police officer responds by kicking him four times in his kidneys and telling him to shut the f*ck up…...and does this IN FRONT OF THE CHILD. THEN, the officer calls the child a liar when the child tells her counselor and CPS about it. Was that ok? I don’t think so. No, the man arrested should not have been smoking pot. (That was the only drug he did), but he did not go back to smoking it after that incident. He learned his lesson and has been clean for over a year. Still, I think the officer in question should have been held accountable for his actions. Even the counselor and CPS worker said that from what the child told them, the man did not deserve that kind of treatment from the officer. Any opinions?"

My response:

Yes I have an opinion. You won't like it. Your husband was dealing dope from his home. He was doing this in the presence of his 10 year old daughter with a heart condition. He also, by your admission, was smoking pot in the home, in the presence of a child with a heart condition. CPS should open an investigation to see if you are fit parents. (See I told you you won't like what I say). Your husband endangered her life in many ways. You, stood by and allowed him to do this, thus you are also culpable. As far as your friend, the other cop from another department is concerned, if he knows about illegal behavior by officers of that PD and says nothing about it, then he should be held accountable too. If he tells you that the local PD is corrupt, and he knows about them lying on court documents but he does nothing about it, then he is either lying or corrupt himself.

Just my opinion...

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Kalco251-
I just told you, he was smoking it, NOT DEALING it!! What do you not understand about that? If you don't see this post, you WILL see it in a PM. I am sick to death of people who do not seem to be able to comprehend what they read. He smoked it while I was not in the house. CPS did come in and found me to be a very fit parent. I think you need to go to h-e-double popsicle sticks.


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I work down in South Central where these clowns have an office on MLK blvd. They are all a bunch of complete degenerates and malcontents! I always explain to these idiots, that I could care less if they are recording me, all they will do is exonerate me in ANY use of force or shooting! So I asked one of them to give me his cell phone number and I'll call him when ever I jam a gang member so he can record it for his little anti-establishment group of malcontents. I have several of my incidents recorded and played for my Captians. They called me in the office and said the just got done watching about 1hr & 45 mins of me and thought it wa the funniest interaction with copwatch they had ever seen. Once things settle down and are under control, I get what ever additional recources I need, given the situation and when I am done my investigation and the incident is complete, I engage the idiots in discussion or debate, which ever they chose. Most of thses morons are not very educated, and the ones that are get way to emotional to be able to have a substantive discussion, so they make themselves look like boobs on the video. Looking like idiots is the status quo in copwatch!
Like it was said above, most of these knukleheads have had a long history of trouble with the law and an unwillingness to conform, or evolve into civilized human beings.
Just as long as they don't interfere with my investigation, they will not become a part of what they are filming. Though the video does look a whole lot better when the camera is being flung all over the place, while the operator is being arrested for 148 PC.
Stay Safe Warriors
Ed O'Shea


Stay Safe Warriors!

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Jessie's response via PM:

Kalco251- I just told you you nitwit, he was smoking it, NOT DEALING it!! What do you not understand about that? If you don’t see this post, you WILL see it in a PM. I am sick to death of people who do not seem to be able to comprehend what they read. He smoked it while I was not in the house. CPS did come in and found me to be a very fit parent. I think you need to go to hell.
and...
I went to your profile, George Beuckelaere, and I know you personally, although you might not remember me. My ex-husband (deceased now) was 18 years old when you arrested him at his dad's house on Empire Ave in Benton Harbor in 1983 (and that arrest had nothing to do with drugs....you arrested him because you told him to go home, and he said no because you were on HIS PROPERTY- do you remember? He got arrested for disturbing the peace. Even his lawyer laughed at you. I was the one who spoke to you later while holding a very very large tan rabbit on a leash who was growling at you while you leaned as far from us at your car window as possible. You were not a nice person then, and you certainly do not seem to have gotten any better. As for you being a "devout Christain", I find that hard to believe. I know what kind a hateful person you were back in 1983, and I seriously doubt that you changed that much. Also, saying my current husbandwas selling drugs, is slander. He was (I repeat W-A-S) a smoker. He has since quit, and hasn't touched the stuff in a long long time, nor does he have any plans to. He was NEVER dealing any kind of drugs. As for me letting it happen, I was not home when he smoked. I didn't know he still smoked then. As for doing it in front of my daughter, when she was asked about it, she told them her dad didn't smoke while she was in the room. So, next time, get yopur facts straight.
and...
Sorry I told you to go to hell. That was uncalled for.

My considered response:

(I lost my first response in cyberland apparently):

Jessie, I told you that you wouldn't like my opinion, and that is fine. It isn't slanderous, because I have no idea who you and your husband are. Now that said, let me tell you why I came to that opinion: You claim the PD is corrupt, but you give no factual basis for that statement. Just your undocumented posts. You claim that your husband never sold the drugs, just smoked it. Since search warrants require more than just a hunch to be authorized, I find this hard to believe. Now perhaps he continues to tell you this, but maybe he isn't being fully honest with you. You say you didn't know he was smoking it in the home. How could you not? Was there no hint of an odor on his clothes or in the home? Was there no personality change? If he was smoking it while you were gone and he was supposed to be watching your 10 year old with a heart condition, he has/had serious parenting issues. If he is clean, then great for him. Especialy great for your daughter.

Now as far as remembering you or your now deceased first husband, I am sorry, I have no idea who you, he or your tan rabbit are. I do not remember an ordinance violation from 24 years ago. In BH, disorderly arrests were a dime a dozen. Disorderly covered a lot of behavior including being annoying. I would guess his arrest led to a $50 fine and no other jail time. As far as his death. I hope you will accept my true sincere sympathies. Your apology is accepted for tellimg me to go visit Satan...

Now please refrain from sending me personal messages. I would be happy to debate you on whatever discussion board we happen to meet on, but not through PM's. Thank you.

PS: It's always (ok not always, but sometimes) nice to meet someone from the BH era. Seems a lifetime ago...

George

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

WOW. a defense attorney was making a joke at a cops expense.? and a cop makeing an arrest of a person that was breaking the law.!! what an asshole.....

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ODIN,

Yeah I know. Amazingly enough I don't remember her attack bunny either. I wish I did. Then I could post my side of the story...Ah well, like I said, seems like a lifetime ago.

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Yeah, George, the attack bunny was pretty funny, at least at the time. No the things I say about our local PD is not undocumented. I spoke with several K-zoo Co deputies who were here a while back having to render assistance to our local PD. They thought our local boys were a joke too. As for search warrants being hard to get, well, when the officer falsifies info to get it, it isn't as hard as one might think. It is common knowledge around here that the officer in question is KNOWN for this type of thing. FYI, the JUDGE here laughed at our local boys when it went to court. There are people here who have video of some of these guys drinking while in uniform, getting high with the local gangbangers....the list goes on. Our local dept has come close to being shut down by the state on several occasions. People are still trying to shut them down. By people, I do not mean people any LE would refer to as the criminal elemant either. This dept has been sued S-U-C-C-E-S-S-F-U-L-L-Y on several occasions for their conduct. You think the backwoods, backwards Mayberry RFD type PD are only in the movies? HA! WRONG!!! One exists right here in this great state of Michigan. :/
Also, I said my husband was wrong to be smoking weed. He was supposed to have quit, so when this happened, I was as pissed off as a cat who sat in turpentine. What I said was, when the suspect is cooperating with police, and is not resisting arrest in any way shape or form, the officer does NOT have the right to assault the suspect, and if he does, should be held accountable. When my child was questioned about the incident, she told them her dad was not trying to get away from the police, was not struggling or anything else. He simply asked them to (and I quote my daughter) " be careful she had heart problems, and they told my daddy to shut the h*** up and kicked him in his back 4 times" The officer calling her a liar was ridiculous. The CPS worker was livid that the officer behaved the way he did then tried to discredit the child.She was not a little kid. She was definitely old enough to know what she saw and tell about it. Any officer who thinks it is OK to assault someone who is cooperating, should never have a gun or badge...period. I know people in several local PDs where I have delivered mail, who have said the same thing, and said it is the gung ho power-tripping officers that give good ones a bad name. That there is no reason to not treat a suspect decently if he is not giving any trouble. None, whatsoever!!!


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Odin, hate to tell you but at that time, Georgie here was about 22 years old (he is 4 years older than me) and at that time (in 1983), he was the epitome of the word asshole. Of course, that WAS 24 years ago. He may be a nice person now, I don't really know.
To George, I guess I probably SHOULD give you the benefit of the doubt. It has, after all, been a long time, and if I can believe that people can change, I would have to include you in that possibility too. (Humble pie tastes like shit, I don't recommend it)


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Jessie,

1- It would appear you are still living in the greater BH area from your comment about Kzoo Co deps rendering aid (the riots a couple years ago I would guess?).
2- BHPD has endured a bad reputation for years. It would have to do with the community standards and pay scale, working conditions etc. I do not dispute the agency has had a black eye for years. I still find it hard to believe that Berrien County judges would issue SW's to officers known for falsifying information.
3- I fully agree with you that an officer should not use excessive force. You may not realize it, but I have taken control of situations to keep officers from losing control over the years. No good reason to use excessive force.
4- As for your comments to ODIN, I was in fact about 22 years old in 1983. I may have seemed like an A**H*** to you at the time. Still don't remember you, sorry. You would have felt that way because you felt I mistreated your husband. I enjoyed a good reputation while at BHPD. I enjoy a better reputation here..
5- Perception is a magic thing. You see a young cop with a gung-ho attitude back in 1983 as an AH, I see myself as being an effective cop in a really bad area. I wasn't there to be liked, I was there to do my job. I don't think gung-ho and power-tripping are necessarily the same thing. I wanted to do my job (gung-ho) but I never thought I was better than anyone else (power-tripping).
As far as humble pie is concerned, it may taste bad, but we all need to eat a goodly share over our lives, keeps us honest.

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No, G, it isn't BH. Believe it or not it is in Wayne County Michigan. By Detroit. And it was about MAYBE 2 months ago? Anyway, I ran into the Kzoo officers in the local party store. Gave them dagger looks before I realized they weren't local guys. They were extremely nice (which I find is generally the case with officers outside our local PD) and in the course of the convo, I said something about our local PD being worthless. They said (quote) it must be, if they need help from us as far away as we are.
And you are right about the gung ho and power-tripping, although at the time, I had never really had a bad experience with any police officer until you, so you can see why you stuck in my memory. Gung-ho officers don't really bother me. But the officer here I refer to is known to abuse his power alot. Many law abiding citizens as well as the ones not so law abiding have complained about him. Why nothing is done, I have no idea. Maybe it's incompetence in administration, maybe it's something else. But when my own child would not trust her local police officers to help her....has said if someone were to try and hurt or snatch her, and the only officer around was him or his buddies, she would not call out for help becuase she doesn't believe they would help her...then in my book, there is a real problem. Mind you, this same child has stated to everyone includung CPS and her counselor, that she would call for help if it were a Wayne County or State boy. She trusts them and likes them. she just doesn't trust our local PD, and that in itself, that is scary, at least to me.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

jessie baby, if you would have known me that many years ago would think i was the biggest asshole you have ever met, even more so than now... takes a while to learn the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.. its just a fact and it doesnt mean the officer was wrong.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Hmmm don't know why we would have been over there. Oh well. How about we just move on to the next topic. We have kinda dominated this board long enough...

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

LOL. You're probably right. We have kind of taken over this thread. We should give it back. Odin, you're an asshole NOW, but it's ok. We still love ya, dude.


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sorry it took so long to reply i had to clean the puke of the keyboard.

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XOXOXO. Now you gottsta go clean it yet AGAIN. LOL


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