115 says ...

Thank you KSP for your lesson in spelling, I forget every time I post something it goes under a microscope so it can be used against me later.  Yes, I am not a cop.  I have worked in corrections and security for years.  And I have conducted searches on my beat, only as you would say as a mall ninja, or rent a cop.  But, it was on my beat on private propery.  And you know what, upon a simple search for officer safety to search for weapons, I have found individuals with contraband, example marijuana, many, many times. 

It is going to be an interesting report to read how while searching for weapons for your protection you found a small bag of marijuana in his pocket.  I can imagine the DA asking how the bag was going to be used as a weapon.

Beck123 says ...

115 says ...

Thank you KSP for your lesson in spelling, I forget every time I post something it goes under a microscope so it can be used against me later.  Yes, I am not a cop.  I have worked in corrections and security for years.  And I have conducted searches on my beat, only as you would say as a mall ninja, or rent a cop.  But, it was on my beat on private propery.  And you know what, upon a simple search for officer safety to search for weapons, I have found individuals with contraband, example marijuana, many, many times. 

It is going to be an interesting report to read how while searching for weapons for your protection you found a small bag of marijuana in his pocket.  I can imagine the DA asking how the bag was going to be used as a weapon.

It is acceptable it's called plain feel. If you are conducting a pat down for weapons and find something you can reasonably articulate is drugs or drug paraphernalia it is admissible.

Beck123 says ...

I wanted to see if he knew that.  So many rookies write reports like this "while frisking for weapons  I found marijuana in an bag in his pocket"  Not metioning the smell of marijuana eminating from the suspect or in my __ years of experience.....

Oh sorry I messed up your web

Well, let's assume you have done the "terry stop" and upon the search you feel something like a "crack pipe."  Don't drug dealers carry weapons?  Yes, I know you cannot manipulate the baggie in there pocket when you are doing the initial search for weapons.  However, a pipe can be felt upon a frisk.  And since it is of the "apparent contraband nature" I would continue the search.  So what you are saying is that if you found cocain on him you would not charge him with it?  It falls under the"plain feel doctrine."

115 says ...

Well, let's assume you have done the "terry stop" and upon the search you feel something like a "crack pipe."  Don't drug dealers carry weapons?  Yes, I know you cannot manipulate the baggie in there pocket when you are doing the initial search for weapons.  However, a pipe can be felt upon a frisk.  And since it is of the "apparent contraband nature" I would continue the search.  So what you are saying is that if you found cocain on him you would not charge him with it? 

I don't know what you mean by, "Can't manipulate the bag." When you do a pat down you can crush the clothing, in some of the thugs who where multiple layers, if you don't crush the clothing you could miss something. And in the process of doing so if you squeeze a baggie then walla

115 says ...

Well, let's assume you have done the "terry stop" and upon the search you feel something like a "crack pipe."  Don't drug dealers carry weapons?  Yes, I know you cannot manipulate the baggie in there pocket when you are doing the initial search for weapons.  However, a pipe can be felt upon a frisk.  And since it is of the "apparent contraband nature" I would continue the search.  So what you are saying is that if you found cocain on him you would not charge him with it?  It falls under the"plain feel doctrine."

OK, If I find a crack pipe I can articulate that, then it is no longer "plain feel" it's "searched upon arrest" because he's going to jail and find the rest of any narcotics.

GirlInBrown says ...

Beck123 says ...

I wanted to see if he knew that.  So many rookies write reports like this "while frisking for weapons  I found marijuana in an bag in his pocket"  Not metioning the smell of marijuana eminating from the suspect or in my __ years of experience.....

Im confused......you mean to tell me that documenting how and where you found a particular piece of evidence is not right???.... and rookies can NOT  use "in my years of experience..." being that they are "rookies" after all......

Your lucky, I've got many 3 year "Rookies" in my PD.  The reports are horrible.  All 3 lines of them.

Back on topic.

Beck123 says ...

115 says ...

Thank you KSP for your lesson in spelling, I forget every time I post something it goes under a microscope so it can be used against me later.  Yes, I am not a cop.  I have worked in corrections and security for years.  And I have conducted searches on my beat, only as you would say as a mall ninja, or rent a cop.  But, it was on my beat on private propery.  And you know what, upon a simple search for officer safety to search for weapons, I have found individuals with contraband, example marijuana, many, many times. 

It is going to be an interesting report to read how while searching for weapons for your protection you found a small bag of marijuana in his pocket.  I can imagine the DA asking how the bag was going to be used as a weapon.

Beck, if you doble-check 115's post, he states that he did searches as private security (on private property) so many of the rules that apply to LEO searches do NOT apply to private security.... If I'm a private security person and I have exerted my authority to detain someone for a suspected crime that I have lawful authority to act upon...ie: Trespass....and I search Joe Badguy....only for weapons.....ANYTHING unlawful that I find MUST be turned over to the police for subsequent prosecution (or not depending on both the police & prosecutor).... I have repeatedly detained trespassers and recovered stolen credit cards, drugs, guns.... all have been successfully prosecuted for the Felony crimes based upon the evidence that I have seized as a lowly security guard that detained some ding-a-ling for trespassing... Not only that.... but Private Security can get away with "profiling" those 'undesireable' elements on private property because the rules of engagement are different.... if you know the rules.....

Another successfully hijacked thread.  Back to the original topic tho: decals do not matter. If they are not l.e.o. then they will get the standard treatment. I can say that we have numerous offenders here that have P.A.L. license plates hoping to catch abreak, we also have numerous F.O.P. emblems improperly displayed. If I can prove it is improperly displayed I will cite them and take the emblem for evidence.

Back on topic, wasn't it Buck Savage but I digress.

Beck123 says ...

Back on topic, wasn't it Buck Savage but I digress.

Isn't that what I said?

Oh, I just mean that if you were searching for weapons initially, that if some contraband got crushed, you are probably out of luck, if they did not have any weapons.  The way I was taught you can't manipulate the object in the pocket, unless it is of the "apparent contraband nature."  You would crumble the clothing as you said earlier.  A better example, would be like searching all the areas of his wallet, as that would not be reasonable, because a weapon would most likely not be in his wallet.  The intrusion has to be "reasonable."  You gotta love "Terry vs Ohio" I think it helps leo's in bad neighborhoods.  When I started on this topic I was talking about it in the capacity of a police officer.  I was not talking about it as me being a rent a cop.  However, the 4th ammendment does not apply to private security.  I know, I know, it becomes a civil matter.  

Here in Fl they have a couple of 'special' plates pertaining to cops. One is supporting the Boys Ranch and anyone can buy them. The other is a PBA plate and I had to show my ID to obtain it. I did it simply because the money goes to PBA's.

Pickle...what the hell....have you completely flipped out of your jar????  What are you talking about??? Thanks for that picture of Buck though....

This topic has been so abused. To clarify the original question. Was the thin blue line stickers intended to be placed on vehicles of non-LEOs, and I still say not it was not. I remember when they first came out and the purpose of the stickers was discussed and it was so you would know you were approaching an LEO's vehicle of course like the FOP plate and police association stickers it's been perverted for anyone's use.