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In regards to the NJ stop in Virginia:


I completely understand that they wanted to help people by going to help Hurricane Katrina victims, and for that they deserve a pat on the back. However, doing one good deed does not mean you should recieve a "pass" for your next bad deed. I very much want to become a police officer and am well into the hiring process for the department I want to be on, so I can understand the concern over the driving.


I think that being a LEO, one would deserve respect, but should also respect other LE agencies. The NJ officers showed no respect to the state of Virginia's various agencies (from state, county, to local) in going 95 mph and allegedly running people off of the road. Also, by putting on their lightbars, they indicated that they had an emergency, which was untrue. I understand that they were wanting to get home after being away from their families, but how often have officers pulled somone over for the driver being in a hurry? I believe LEOs should lead by example, and being in LE does not make someone above the law.


Finally, I would like to comment on how potentially dangerous they made the road. As we all know, being in the driver's seat means we must do our best to stay focused on the road and not fall prey to a host of different distractions. What if there had been a vehicle that, due to a distraction, was not able to get out of the way in time? Think of the scenario that may have played out: Even if the officer didn't hit the vehicle and was able to change lanes, what would the civilian driver's reaction be to seeing several squadcars whiz by at 95 mph? I can see the driver instinctively slamming on their breaks and causing a rear end collision with squadcars that had not yet passed and see injuries and deaths. I can also see the civilian driver swerving over to avoid being hit, without duely checking the next lane to see if it is clear, as one would normally do.


Were I the sheriff of the offending county (the ones which the speeding deputies belong to) I would be embarassed of my officers actions, for causing civilians to be fearful(whom they are supposed to serve and protect), not upholding the law (their driving does constitute "reckless driving"), and giving their agency an unprofessional reputation.


As I stated earlier, being a LEO not only means you deserve some respect, but that you must also respect others. I think it was wrong of them to assume that they should be extended the courtesy of not being pulled over by Virginia officers, when they did not show the courtesy to drive at a reasonable and safe pace. 


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If you have enough money, you can challenge anything. Besides, why would anyone want to put a decal that represents LE on their vehicle and they were not sworn LE unless they wanted to portray themselves as something they aren't...??? I don't believe that this is a First Amendment question but good luck with arguing it.



How is someone having a thin blue line magnet that says "Heroes live forever" say that someone is trying to portray something they're not? According to Police911, civilians should not have this stuff. Unlike FOP decals, and decals for Veterans organizations, these decals were made to SUPPORT LE, not infer the person is a cop. On the NLEOMF website, ANYONE can buy them, and the money goes to support the LE Memorial. For those who don't know, they're just like the cancer awareness magnets.


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In Illinois the Statute relating to FOP medallions, etc is this (I think if I remember correctly-I've been away from IL law for almost 3 years now)....


(720 ILCS 5/17‑2) (from Ch. 38, par. 17‑2) Sec. 17‑2. False personation; use of title; solicitation; certain entities. (a) A person commits a false personation when he or she falsely represents himself or herself to be a member or representative of any veterans' or public safety personnel organization or a representative of any charitable organization, or when any person exhibits or uses in any manner any decal, badge or insignia of any charitable, public safety personnel, or veterans' organization when not authorized to do so by the charitable, public safety personnel, or veterans' organization. "Public safety personnel organization" has the meaning ascribed to that term in Section 1 of the Solicitation for Charity Act.


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First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


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I would say since with the common attitude shown towards law enforcement in general, you are making yourself a target. If you want to do something that shows you support and RESPECT for law enforcement.....it's very simple....OBEY THE FREAKING LAW!


I have seen crack dealers with Back the Badge stickers on the back of their vehicles....so no, I don't think they help. In fact, they may hurt you. If you look like you are trying to hard to impress an officer and break the law, then you deserve a ticket. I see that as nothing more than a slap to our faces.  Those stickers are not a diplomatic immunity. More supporters need to understand my last five sentences, esp. the run-on sentences. LOL

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I would say since with the common attitude shown towards law enforcement in general, you are making yourself a target. If you want to do something that shows you support and RESPECT for law enforcement.....it's very simple....OBEY THE FREAKING LAW!


I have seen crack dealers with Back the Badge stickers on the back of their vehicles....so no, I don't think they help. In fact, they may hurt you. If you look like you are trying to hard to impress an officer and break the law, then you deserve a ticket. I see that as nothing more than a slap to our faces.  Those stickers are not a diplomatic immunity. More supporters need to understand my last five sentences, esp. the run-on sentences. LOL



That was awesome.


And FOP decals come standard with all crack heads, pot heads, etc...etc...vehicles.


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Those who have the most decals, pba stickers, etc. on their vehicles are usually the ones in the most trouble and looking for a break.


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Ok, non halo wearing LEO here...come on everyone, you mean to tell me that none of you have ever, ever driven above the posted speed limit.....and by that I mean off duty....or before you were a LEO???????


That sarcasm aside, Active LEO's, and/or their immediate family (usually their spouse or kid) I've given my share of breaks to, the rest have pretty much been decided by the driver's attitude, demeanor, etc., or the severity of the offense.


And in regards to the decals, there are a number of supporters and civilian staff that have them on their vehicle, you never know who's life has been impacted by the death of a LEO



I think the point here is that this gentleman is asking if his LEO stickers are helping him get out of a ticket. I apperciate his support and will welcome him with open arms and EggMcMuffins once he gets on. But I'm thinking he is asking in a round about way, is it that most cops would let me off.....I have these stickers and law books on/in my car! Now, explaining to me what he is, or what he's doing may contribute, but a sticker won't.  I am always willing to talk to the violator depending on their attitude.


I can't stand it when a Officer is ready to break it off into anybody/everybody's rectal cavity, but after time and experienced has shown me.....I would respect his decision, no matter how unfair the violator thinks it is or what those circumstance may be.

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Ok, non halo wearing LEO here...come on everyone, you mean to tell me that none of you have ever, ever driven above the posted speed limit.....and by that I mean off duty....or before you were a LEO???????


That sarcasm aside, Active LEO's, and/or their immediate family (usually their spouse or kid) I've given my share of breaks to, the rest have pretty much been decided by the driver's attitude, demeanor, etc., or the severity of the offense.


And in regards to the decals, there are a number of supporters and civilian staff that have them on their vehicle, you never know who's life has been impacted by the death of a LEO



I think you may have missed the purpose of the thread and of the decals. The decal is to signify you are an LEO not that you suport LEOs.


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First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!


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First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!



It's a sticker, who gives a crap.  I pull over any car that breaks the law regardless of stickers on it.  A TBL sticker on a car of a non LEO is NOT against the law in Texas.


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A decal means nothing, if I stop it I write it., Unless the operator has a badge either active or retired.  I not only write the ticket for the stop I add the ticket for the decal on the window. 

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KSP494 says ...



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First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!



Sorry but I believe you are still mistaken, I was an LEO when the decals came about it was specifically so one LEO could identify another LEO. Of course they will need to show me a badge and ID also.


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First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!



It's a sticker, who gives a crap.  I pull over any car that breaks the law regardless of stickers on it.  A TBL sticker on a car of a non LEO is NOT against the law in Texas.


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I'd double check PC 37.12 and see if their decal does not violate False ID-Peace Officer/ Criminal Misrepresentation of Property. I would always question someone wearing a CLEAT sticker, as they don't have Associate(civilian) members like DPSOA. If the vehicle is driven or owned by a cop, but the wife or kid drives it too, that's fine to have a CLEAT sticker. If not...

§ 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER;
MISREPRESENTATION OF PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense if:
(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or
possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or
other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that
identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement
officer; and
(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the
item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the
item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law
enforcement officer as indicated on the item.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder
emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement
agency clearly identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace
officer or reserve law enforcement officer, or as a member of a
junior posse;
(2) the person identified as a peace officer or
reserve law enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia
was commissioned in that capacity when the item was made; or
(3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively
for decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation.
(c) In this section, "reserve law enforcement officer" has
the same meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001,
Occupations Code.
(d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally
or knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law
enforcement agency.
(e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

 

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If you have enough money, you can challenge anything. Besides, why would anyone want to put a decal that represents LE on their vehicle and they were not sworn LE unless they wanted to portray themselves as something they aren't...??? I don't believe that this is a First Amendment question but good luck with arguing it.



How is someone having a thin blue line magnet that says "Heroes live forever" say that someone is trying to portray something they're not? According to Police911, civilians should not have this stuff. Unlike FOP decals, and decals for Veterans organizations, these decals were made to SUPPORT LE, not infer the person is a cop. On the NLEOMF website, ANYONE can buy them, and the money goes to support the LE Memorial. For those who don't know, they're just like the cancer awareness magnets.



I can agree with someone having what you just described above but that was not discussed earlier. It is obvious to me that these were meant for supporters.

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I was once pulled over by a Massachusetts State Trooper. Once I showed him my badge, he explained to me that he stopped me because I had a thin blue line sticker.  He told me that several weeks ago, he pulled over a vehicle with a TBL sticker and the person ended up being a drug runner taking coke from Rhode Island to Mass.....So I guess a decal may matter.

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Beck123 says ...



joeski458 says ...



KSP494 says ...



police911 says ...



First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!



It's a sticker, who gives a crap.  I pull over any car that breaks the law regardless of stickers on it.  A TBL sticker on a car of a non LEO is NOT against the law in Texas.


Discretion comes after contact.



I'd double check PC 37.12 and see if their decal does not violate False ID-Peace Officer/ Criminal Misrepresentation of Property. I would always question someone wearing a CLEAT sticker, as they don't have Associate(civilian) members like DPSOA. If the vehicle is driven or owned by a cop, but the wife or kid drives it too, that's fine to have a CLEAT sticker. If not...

§ 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER;
MISREPRESENTATION OF PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense if:
(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or
possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or
other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that
identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement
officer; and
(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the
item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the
item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law
enforcement officer as indicated on the item.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder
emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement
agency clearly identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace
officer or reserve law enforcement officer, or as a member of a
junior posse;
(2) the person identified as a peace officer or
reserve law enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia
was commissioned in that capacity when the item was made; or
(3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively
for decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation.
(c) In this section, "reserve law enforcement officer" has
the same meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001,
Occupations Code.
(d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally
or knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law
enforcement agency.
(e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

 



That is the correct staute but that has nothing to do with the TBL, FOP, CLEAT, TMPA stickers.  The specifically states LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.  The above named sticker don't represent a particular agency so it is legal in Texas.

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Allen705 says ...



Beck123 says ...



joeski458 says ...



KSP494 says ...



police911 says ...



First of all you should not have a thin blue line magnet on your car.  The thin blue line magnets, pins, etc were created for active law enforcement officers, not supporters. I would make you take it off your car.



10-4 on what he said, it was for officers only, remove it immediately. As a matter of fact I would pour on anything I could write.


 



My understanding is that it is for LEO's and their immediate family.  I personally don't think that anyone that is not a affiliated with Law Enforcement (directly or by family) should display this decal. Period!



It's a sticker, who gives a crap.  I pull over any car that breaks the law regardless of stickers on it.  A TBL sticker on a car of a non LEO is NOT against the law in Texas.


Discretion comes after contact.



I'd double check PC 37.12 and see if their decal does not violate False ID-Peace Officer/ Criminal Misrepresentation of Property. I would always question someone wearing a CLEAT sticker, as they don't have Associate(civilian) members like DPSOA. If the vehicle is driven or owned by a cop, but the wife or kid drives it too, that's fine to have a CLEAT sticker. If not...

§ 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER;
MISREPRESENTATION OF PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense if:
(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or
possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or
other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that
identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement
officer; and
(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the
item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the
item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law
enforcement officer as indicated on the item.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder
emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement
agency clearly identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace
officer or reserve law enforcement officer, or as a member of a
junior posse;
(2) the person identified as a peace officer or
reserve law enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia
was commissioned in that capacity when the item was made; or
(3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively
for decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation.
(c) In this section, "reserve law enforcement officer" has
the same meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001,
Occupations Code.
(d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally
or knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law
enforcement agency.
(e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

 



That is the correct staute but that has nothing to do with the TBL, FOP, CLEAT, TMPA stickers.  The specifically states LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.  The above named sticker don't represent a particular agency so it is legal in Texas.



You missed my point. Why do they have those LEO stickers? I would take a closer look at the driver and vehicle. Do you have a nutcase who likes to play cops and robbers, or as others above have said....is this some kind of distraction tool. Are there any drugs or contraband inside the vehicle? Maybe the poser has somekind of fake ID/badge on or in the vehicle??

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I would not put a sticker like that on my car for two reasons.  First, leo's would most likely think that I have the sticker on my car, because I am some sort of criminal, and I am trying to cover something up.  Second, because there seems to be more criminals than, leo's around at least in my area; I would not want my vehical to be the target for a gang banger to cause damage to it.  The best course of action would be not to have any stickers on your vehicle, and always drive 5 miles under the speed limit.  The use of stickers will only result in a "reasonalbe suspicion" resulting in a "Terry Stop", as long as the officer has "articulatabe facts and circumstances" he can put in the report.  Now, if you are speeding, the officer has "probable cause" to make a stop, which has nothing to do with the sticker.  You might say that stickers on vehicles, are like "tattoo's" on people, it can result in a "Terry Stop." 

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Tattoos are cause for a terry stop?? Wow, that's a new one.  I guess all of us on here in the Tattooed LEO group should watch out? 


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The Thin Blue Line sticker, when it was first available, was as others have already stated, intended solely for police officer's personal vehicles. It was supposed to be some sort of "secret" way we could ID one another on the streets. Originally to obtain one, you had to send in a copy of your department issued ID card, or show ID at their table at a conference or event, to verify your status as a sworn LEO.


Now however, it seems that in order to raise more money and support for the NLEOMF (and some profit margin for the sticker creator) these stickers have become readily available to the general public. They are now being marketed, as others have said, as "support" decals. Last May at Police Week in D.C. at the FOP tents, they were flying off the table at $3.00 each and not once did I see anybody representing the company check a single ID. The FOP tent is a fundraiser in itself, so they allow the general public in, only requiring ID showing over 21 years of age.


This was originally a decent idea, now gone wrong because of loose control over who got them, and the sticker's creator looking to increase profits for himself and maybe the Fund. These were never received well within the NYPD anyway. 99% of NYPD cops don't get FOP license plates or plate frames, vehicle stickers of any kind, t-shirts or anything that could outwardly ID us as cops when off-duty. It's not encouraged, and often just not safe.


Like many of you, I too have seen and stopped numerous vehicles plastered with NYPD, FOP, PBA, PAL, etc. stickers/decals/patches, and it's never been a cop inside the vehicle. Just somebody thinking they will get a free pass. They usually don't get one, but there is no statute here in NY that would allow us to physically remove it ourselves, only a VTL violation (summons) that says it is unlawful to display the word "POLICE" on your vehicle if not actually the police.


In NYC, if we tried to articulate in court that our "reasonable suspicion" or "Terry stop" was based on some police stickers, we'd get thrown out by some Liberal District Attorney, Judge, or jury, then probably sued.


 

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Well, if you see a guy who has identifiable prison tattoo's all over his body, does that give you a reason to believe that this person might be dangerouse, if you see someone like that on your beat?  You beat.  Could he have a weapon if you are patrolling a bad apartment complex?  Or, no will you disregard the "mexican mafia" tatoo's that are all over the back of his bald head.  As it applies to a mere bumper sticker on a moving vehicle, it can apply to unique situation.  I am not trying to offend you if you have a tattoo.  How do you know I do not have one?  I am not saying that tattoo's are bad.  I am only saying, it could be a factor in a million elements in an unperfect world.  Why do some departments have policies that say officers can have no visible tattoo's?  I like tattoo's, I am only applying the concept to this thread.  

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Getting sued is the least of our worries, making a terry stop based on a tattoo or a decal on a car. If that's all we have to make a stop, I'd suggest finding more suspicion that a crime is afoot. In today's day, there's PLENTY of PC to be found to make a stop, rather than make one on something miniscule that could get an officer jammed up. Sometimes you have to think "outside the box."


I agree NYPD....most who have that stuff aren't police. There is a statute in NY that is for an "unauthorized decal", which, in essences, allows a ticket to be written for any sticker on a car that isn't either the inspection or registration sticker.


NOW..if I were to see a sticker that said "GRAFFIX" or something of that sort, I'd be suspicious, seeing as though that company makes drug paraphernalia.


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You also, have cases where the result of a "terry stop" based on a sticker, or a tattoo resulted in the retrival of contraband.  It works both ways, and it varies depending on jurisdiction and geographical area, the culture of the people there etc.   

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Bill, you and all of our retired brethern have most certainly put in your time....have a nice day, cya bye...



I agree, Johnnie..I just did that very same thing yesterday with a retired Columbia Hts copper......as for the stickers/decals, it doesnt matter to me..I will still tag ya, but MIGHT ask about it,  might not.

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Well, if you see a guy who has identifiable prison tattoo's all over his body, does that give you a reason to believe that this person might be dangerouse, if you see someone like that on your beat?  You beat.  Could he have a weapon if you are patrolling a bad apartment complex?  Or, no will you disregard the "mexican mafia" tatoo's that are all over the back of his bald head.  As it applies to a mere bumper sticker on a moving vehicle, it can apply to unique situation.  I am not trying to offend you if you have a tattoo.  How do you know I do not have one?  I am not saying that tattoo's are bad.  I am only saying, it could be a factor in a million elements in an unperfect would world.  Why do some departments have policies that say officers can have no visible tattoo's?  I like tattoo's, I am only applying the concept to this thread.  This is why I never post anything. 



Look, I'm not trying to slam you in the least bit. Your understanding of a terry stop seemed to be a bit off. Anyone who makes a terry stop based solely off a tattoo is looking for trouble. I know LOTS of people who have MANY tattoos. It's the content of the tattoos that would make me suspicious. THAT'S what needs to be considered. No different than the decals on a car.


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Yes, I think that is a key point, that the content regarding it makes all the difference.  And I understand that I would not want to put in the report that my "reasonable suspicion" was based solely on a tatoo.  More likely, it would be, because the individual was in a known drug area on a street corner at 3 am, and I found contraband when I was searching him down for weapons.  I understand what you are saying, and agree with you.

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You pat someone down for weapons and find "contraban" ? Interesting. 

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Yes, I think that is a key point, that the content regarding it makes all the difference.  And I understand that I would not want to put in the report that my "reasonable suspicion" was based solely on a tatoo.  More likely, it would be, because the individual was in a known drug area on a street corner at 3 am, and I found contraband when I was padding him down for weapons.  I understand what you are saying, and agree with you.



Aren't you a student. And you don't pad criminals down.


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Yes, I think that is a key point, that the content regarding it makes all the difference.  And I understand that I would not want to put in the report that my "reasonable suspicion" was based solely on a tatoo.  More likely, it would be, because the individual was in a known drug area on a street corner at 3 am, and I found contraband when I was padding him down for weapons.  I understand what you are saying, and agree with you.



Aren't you a student. And you don't pad criminals down.



you do if you PAD the books


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