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Backseat or no ride for you! Time to change the front seat transports!

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Posted over 7 years ago

 

Maryland state trooper nearly shot by passenger who disarmed him

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The Associated Press

CUMBERLAND, Md. — A Maryland state trooper was disarmed and nearly shot by a Pennsylvania man he had picked up along Interstate 68 while driving his squad car home from work, police said.
Jeffrey A. Burns, 25, of Ellwood City, Pa., rode peacefully in the passenger seat for about six miles early Sunday morning and then started punching Trooper Christopher Toey in the face and grabbed his pistol, Trooper Mitch Staily told the Cumberland Times-News.
During the ensuing struggle, Burns fired the weapon into the seat next to Toey's leg, Sgt. C.E. Brehm said.
Toey then drove onto the highway shoulder, where Burns got out and ran into a wooded area, police said. Toey and a backup trooper found him and took him into custody.
Burns remained at the Allegany County jail Tuesday with bond set at $500,000. He is charged with first- and second-degree assault and attempting to disarm an officer.
Toey, who works at the Westminster barracks, followed standard procedures by removing a pedestrian from the interstate and placing him in the front seat of the cruiser after checking for outstanding warrants and finding none, Brehm said. He said Toey had offered to drive Burns to Cumberland, 17 miles west of the pickup point.
"He was trying to be a nice guy and give him a ride," Brehm said.

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I never understood the Trooper's reasonings for having front seat transports... to my knowledge they are the only ones who still do that! We have enough issues with backseat prisoners... LOL! No need to give them more weapons for their arsenal.


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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I thought hitchhiking was illegal? Sounds like the guy has mental problems to me. Unless she's Jessica Alba, they should all go in the backseat!

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No one rides in my front seat, unless it's another officer. Don't like it...keep walking.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

NO ONE RIDES IN THE FRONT SEAT! IF SOME ONE RIDES IN THE BACK SEAT I WOULD ASK IN A POLITE MANNER THAT THE CONDITION IS THAT I DO A PAT DOWN SEARCH FOR MY SAFETY. JUST SAY IT IS POLICY AND THEY SHOULD BE COOL.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I work alone. There are many times when I would definitely feel safer with the arrestee in the front. There are many incidents where the cop has been found dead, and the suspect had fled/was still locked inside in the backseat. I can watch the actions of an arrestee much better up front, than when he/she is in the backseat. The key is to do a thorough search, and when possible, have a two-officer unit transport. I do not like to see agencies make blatant/mandatory rulings when it come to tactics, regarding issues such as where to transport an arrestee. So, some on here say "No one rides in the front. So much for your ride - along..

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Even when I lived in South Carolina, it was a common practice for State Troopers to place individuals in the front seats of their patrol cars while a citation was being issued. I know because I sat in a few of them passenger seats myself while attending college. I believe if someone is unwilling to ride in the back, they are unwilling to get help from me.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

In virginia the state troopers don't have shields in their patrol cruisers so they have no other choice but to place a rider in their front seat. In my Sheriffs department we used to place individuals in the front seat of our cruisers to write citations but in 2002 it cost the life of Deputy Betterton. He placed a male black in the front seat of his cruiser and was shot in the head so we now leave them in their vehicle unless circumstances warrant something different.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

MajorPain: I don't think they were talking about ride alongs or other officers. I'm sure the ones who said no front seat riders were referring to strangers they pick up on side the highway/roadway or inmate transports.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I would say "Back seat or no seat."

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(if my vehicle has a barrier b/w me and the back seat)

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

shelby county officer killed by prisoner that produced a weapon from his butt crack he was being transported in the back seat ....thorough pat down ,handcuff correctly and seatbelt..best chance of surviving. this could be debated all day. i dont think there is a right or wrong it should be left up to the officer transporting.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

All officers in va put everyone in the back except our state troopers

Bears_pix_135_max50

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We had a 16yr old jump from a state boys cruiser and drown off the 123 bridge here in va he was handcuffed and was beieng taken in for drinking and driving

Bears_pix_135_max50

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The 123 bridge is on I-95

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Texas DPS also transports prisoners in the front seat.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Back seat, and in the bracelets.. I tell them it's policy, and if they don't like it, well... It's not me that has to walk. Ride-alongs are still questionable, some of those people need to be patted down before letting them in the car too.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

We don't do ride alongs at all due to an insurance issue with the township. We also do not let anyone ride in the front seat unless it is an officer. If you don't like it, then too bad. We have a policy that says that anyone that is being transported is to be patted down first.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Good policy, I would rather not do ride-alongs personally.

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I drive a K-9 unit, so I must use the front seat for transports. I don't like it a bit. If I have a violent prisoner, I ask another officer to transport for me. Most of our units have "cages", but some officers would rather transport up front. They present the same argument that they can watch the prisoner better. When I got my first police car, I bought my own cage. It may be a false sense of security, but I would rather have a violent prisoner behind me when he is kicking and banging his head against the cage.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

You should give your dog some White Castles, and then let the prisoner ride in the back w/ your K9.

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The only think I think you see while having the prisoner in the front seat is his fist or foot coming straight towards your face while driving. I don't care if they are in the back in a cage kicking the bars and plexi glass. they aren't kickin me.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I am with the majority here back seat or no seat and that is still after in extensive search for weapons. If they do not like it the walk. We do have cages and lord I am happy for that to. I got enough bodily fluids placed on me when I worked for the prison system. Now I if they spit or sh*t i see the ghost dog or child run across the road.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Hey andy I am with you. I have seen a few deer run across the road and nobody wants to hit a deer. We use caged vans for court transport. Our prisoners are patted down and high profile cases are strip searched. Inmates have twenty four seven to think of a plan. You get a split second to find a solution that will keep you in control and if it goes to court the lawyers have days maybe weeks to determine you made a mistake. Man I love this job, wouldn't trade it for nothing. M.Cline

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ycso1290 you are correct we have the greatest job in the world. I am new to this side of it all but I am glad to see the saying "take care of your own" still exist. That concept was lost with the state prison here in Texas.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Back seat or not at all, here. I don't understand the rationalle of placing an arrested or detained subject in the front seat next to you, in handcuffs or not. To me, this seems like just asking for trouble. We also have "cages" in all our cars that separate front and back seats... I'm surprised to still see departments that don't use these, too...

If I'm missing something here, somebody set me straight, but placing subjects in the front seat next to you seems like a recipe for disaster.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Cages here too. Most of ours are the newer style with the sliding window, but I actually prefer the old steel mesh/diamond plate stuff.

I have never understood why an agency would NOT have cages in their cars. MSP has at least a car per year stolen by a suspect because of their lack of cages.

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I worked west texas as a K-9 officer. The department I worked for was a 3 man dept. One night I was dispatched to a domestic disturbance. I ended up arresting a male subject. I had to place him in the front seat. Well, he began to kick and opened the door and tried to leave. I was glad I wasn't on the road. After that incident, I wasn't allowed to transport anyone. I had to call for another unit.
Currently I work in the Texas Panhandle as a Drug Interdiction officer. The chief told me that I wasn't to transport anyone under no circumstances. Since I will be his K-9 officer. The Chief is very big on Officer Safety. Cages are in 2 of our 3 units. If we transport someone they go in the back and they are patted down.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Not every agency has cages, if you don't have a cage and you have to transport someone would you rather they be strapped in beside you or behind you? Of the 7 units we have running only 2 have cages and because of the remote areas that we work, other agencies are not available to provide transport assistance. If I transport I use a belly chain with the cuffs.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Man o man I love our Wagons! I also love my cage for the little people... My personal stance is the same as most and that is -If you're riding in my patrol car and you are not sworn or approved for a ride along you are sitting on plastic in the back and this is only after a search. Citizen or prisoner alike... difference being restraints. I've had guys give me a hard time about taking so long for a "quick ID" from a witness... but O WELL. If I didn't have a cage I'd probably catch hell for Ripp Retraining damn near everyone in cuffs.


Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. -George Washington

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