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Posted almost 6 years ago

 

ok my brothers & sisters, I need your help! if you work a 12 hr shift, 2 days on, 2 days off, every other weekend off, I need your input.  I am currently trying to get my department switched over. I would like your feedback on the good and the bad.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Our department works 12 hour shifts. I came from a department that worked 8 hour shifts and the difference is GREAT! With 12 hour shifts you get more days off during the month and more freedom to actually plan things with your family. When I was working 8 hour shifts I can't tell you the number of times I was mandated to work a double shift because of a sick call. I would end up working midnights and then have to work dayshift. Tell me that wouldn't kill your body, I'd be falling asleep by noon. 12 hour shifts are much easier to get adjusted to then working an 8 hour shift. The ONLY downside of working 12s are that when the shift is slow a 12 hour shift can sometimes feel like a 24 hour shift..the time will really D-R-A-G. Good luck !

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

12 hr shift are great, but you have to make sure the rotation is fair to everyone. i currently work 12 hr shift except for Mon-Tue, these are 10 hrs. but we have a rotation of 2wks days, 2 wks afternoons & a month of nights. When you are finally getting used to the nights Bam, you have to go to days. If you can work them like i a quarterly rotation   I think it works better.... My thought..

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12 hr shift are great, but you have to make sure the rotation is fair to everyone. i currently work 12 hr shift except for Mon-Tue, these are 10 hrs. but we have a rotation of 2wks days, 2 wks afternoons & a month of nights. When you are finally getting used to the nights Bam, you have to go to days. If you can work them like i a quarterly rotation   I think it works better.... My thought..



That's just crazy!


We're on 12s like you described and we rotate every three months. I cant imagine working 8s or 10s.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Hey everyone. I'm very happy to say that our union recently voted to go to 12 hour shifts. We currently work a 6 on 3 off rotation which no one is happy with. The three days off are fine but six days in a row make for a long work week. The next step for us is to convince our Chief who will in turn "sell" the idea to the Town Manager. It has now become somewhat of a negotiable item with contract negotiations right around the corner. I'm looking for some good information that will help make my case and make it attractive for the administration. Ultimately, everyone knows it comes down to economics. The first and most improtant item the Town is going to want to know is this; will this costs them more money. (i.e. overtime, replacing, scheduling etc.) Can someone point me in the right direction for obtaining this material? I've researched a ton of articles on the internet but I'm looking for real life examples where it's likely not to cost more, even if it's generally the same money but definately not more. Thanks for reading, look forward to any help. Dave J.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

 


Right now the supervisors are the only ones working 12 hour shifts at my department and we love them.  Our Monday and Tuesday are 10 hour days 3pm-1am to avoid scheduled OT.  The officers would like to go to 12 hour shifts but the group is split so it will be a union issue at the table in Dec.  There are many benefits to working 12’s, you only work 7 out of 14 days and have a 3 day weekend every other week. If you take your short week off you end up with 7 days off but only burn 24 hours of vacation time. 
 
When the supervisors started this there was no problem but then the Town got audited and by the State Labor Department and we had to fight to keep our 12’s. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

We just switched to 12 hour shifts from 10's. They are great! So far everyone in the dept. likes being on12. More time off do to the things you want to do.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

6-6, it is great..its so much easier to plan your life this way, you know months in advance when you'll be working. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I have been working 12's for the past 16 or 17 years. I love the off time, and as far as taking 2 weeks vacation, you could be off of a whole month. But, the down side is that if your working nights, you loose your whole first day off. If you have court, and your on nights, you are either force to stay up after working all night and you turn a 12 hour day into a 16 or 18 hour day. But for the most part I love it. I would'nt want  to go back to 8's

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I currently made a schedule for 5 dispatchers.......we each work 2 - 8 hours shifts and 2-12 hour shifts with 3 days off......would be happy to send you a copy and if it does not work for ya, maybe you could tinker with it to fit your needs....

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

12 hour shifts rock.


You can sleep without fear tonight because there are others standing by to due violence on your behalf.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

One of the Departments i used to work for did 12 hours shifts, it was great.  It was a 2 on 2 off, so you always had a weekend off everynow and then.   We did switch it for a while to four on four off but went back to the twos'.


I remember we had to work out a deal with the county treasurer so that our pay would not be high one month and low the next, we only got paid once a month.


I am working for a department with 8 hour shifts but I remember the good ol days when you got all those days off.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

 HERE IS THE BEST ROTATION I HAVE ENCOUNTERED SO FAR. YOU HAVE FOUR SHIFTS: A, B, C, AND D. EACH SHIFT HAS AN EARLY ROLL CALL AND A LATE ROLL CALL. DAY SHIFT EARLY IS 6AM UNTIL 6PM. DAY SHIFT LATE IS 7AM UNTIL 7PM. NIGHT EARLY IS 530PM UNTIL 530AM. NIGHT SHIFT LATE IS 630PM UNTIL 630AM. TWO SHIFTS WORK NIGHTS WHILE THE OTHER TWO SHIFTS WORKS DAYS. EVERY FOUR MONTHS, YOUR SHIFT SWITCHES FROM NIGHTS TO DAYS OR DAYS TO NIGHTS. THIS IS THE SCHEDULE BREAK DOWN: WORK MONDAY AND TUESDAY. OFF WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WORK FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY. OFF MONDAY, TUESDAY. WORK WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. OFF FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.


  EVERY TWO WEEKS THE SCHEDULE REPEATS ITSELF. YOU GET EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF. YOU ALSO GET A BUILT IN 8 HOURS OF OVERTIME DURING YOUR LONG WEEK (THE WEEK YOU WORK 4 DAYS). IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A VACATION, YOU ONLY HAVE TO USE 24 HOURS WHEN YOU TAKE OFF THE DAYS YOU WORK WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. IT WILL GET YOU A FULL WEEKS VACATION FOR ONLY 24 HOURS OF VACATION TIME. WITH THIS SCEDULE, EVERYONE WORKS THE SAME AMOUNT ON NIGHTS/DAYS AS EVERYONE ELSE, DUE TO THE 4 MONTH ROTATION. YOU ALSO END UP HAVING TO WORK LESS DAYS THROUGH OUT THE YEAR.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Hey Brother


      I was a little upsset when my departement went to the 12 hour shifts.  Actually after working it I love the shifts.  I get every other weekend off.  I work 5 days one week and 2 the next.  It is actually better than I expected.  You have more time for family and can still work good part time jobs.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

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 HERE IS THE BEST ROTATION I HAVE ENCOUNTERED SO FAR. YOU HAVE FOUR SHIFTS: A, B, C, AND D. EACH SHIFT HAS AN EARLY ROLL CALL AND A LATE ROLL CALL. DAY SHIFT EARLY IS 6AM UNTIL 6PM. DAY SHIFT LATE IS 7AM UNTIL 7PM. NIGHT EARLY IS 530PM UNTIL 530AM. NIGHT SHIFT LATE IS 630PM UNTIL 630AM. TWO SHIFTS WORK NIGHTS WHILE THE OTHER TWO SHIFTS WORKS DAYS. EVERY FOUR MONTHS, YOUR SHIFT SWITCHES FROM NIGHTS TO DAYS OR DAYS TO NIGHTS. THIS IS THE SCHEDULE BREAK DOWN: WORK MONDAY AND TUESDAY. OFF WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WORK FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY. OFF MONDAY, TUESDAY. WORK WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. OFF FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.


  EVERY TWO WEEKS THE SCHEDULE REPEATS ITSELF. YOU GET EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF. YOU ALSO GET A BUILT IN 8 HOURS OF OVERTIME DURING YOUR LONG WEEK (THE WEEK YOU WORK 4 DAYS). IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A VACATION, YOU ONLY HAVE TO USE 24 HOURS WHEN YOU TAKE OFF THE DAYS YOU WORK WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. IT WILL GET YOU A FULL WEEKS VACATION FOR ONLY 24 HOURS OF VACATION TIME. WITH THIS SCEDULE, EVERYONE WORKS THE SAME AMOUNT ON NIGHTS/DAYS AS EVERYONE ELSE, DUE TO THE 4 MONTH ROTATION. YOU ALSO END UP HAVING TO WORK LESS DAYS THROUGH OUT THE YEAR.



Ours is similar, except days is 5-5, 6-6, then we have a middle of 11a-11p, nights is 3p-3a (where I am), and then 6p-6a, we remain their for 6 months until our next bid, none of this rotations stuff.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I work the exact schedule you describe.


The Good:


3 day weekends every other week.


Take 2 days off, get 7 days off in a row. :)


Requires less man-power for department.


Built in overtime on your long week ROCKS.


 


The bad:


By the 11th hour I have trouble spelling my name correctly.  Imagine a rape, DUI or multi car accident with injuries. :( 


Your first day off you will spend sleeping if you are on morning watch.  So you feel like you are getting only one day off. (daywatch doesn't sleep during the day.. so they feel like they are getting 2 full days.)


Court at 0900 hrs. after working 1900-0700 stinks.


 


Hope that helped a little.  Stay safe, Jed

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A GOOD SELLING POINT IF THE OFFICERS ARE FOR IT IS THAT THE 12 HOUR SHIFTS BOOST MORAL WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE ALL OF THE OFFICERS HAVE THE SAME DAYS OFF FROM WEEK TO WEEK. THERE IS NO COMPLAINTS OF THE GOOD DAYS OFF LIKE 8HR SHIFTS. MY DEPT SWITCHED 5 MONTS AGO AND YOU CAN TELL THE MORAL AROUND THE DEPT HAS BEEN MUCH BETTER AND LESS GRIPING ABOUT DAYS OFF. WE ROTATE EVERY FOUR MONTS BUT MY OLD DEPT ROTATED EVERY 56 DAYS I LIKED IT BETTER. ONCE YOU GET TIRED OF NIGHTS YOU GO TO DAYS AND VISE VERSA. WE WORK THE 2 ON, 2 OFF, 3 ON, 2 OFF, 2 ON, 3 OFF. GREAT VACATION TIMES AND THE 8 HOURS OT . GOOD LUCK.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

My Department works a modified 12, it actually works out to be 12.5 hours three days a week.  Sunday through Tuesday, with a 5 hour buy back day every other Wednesday.  We have a day shift and night shift with a 1/2 hour overlap for briefing. The opposite end of the week works a traditional 4-10 with a day/swing/grave that overlap at crucial times during the day.  So that buy back on Wednesday turns into a proactive day, not just working the road, to serve warrants or parole/probation searches, whatever comes up.  We switch every four months and have a reverse seniority pick in January to make things fair.


The best part is your days off never change and you can plan things around your days off.  If we could only get the District Attorney on board to not serve us the week of a court hearing it would be awesome.  We also have a minimum staffing requirement that allows us to take time off when we want to.   

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

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12 hour shifts rock.



Hell yes!!!! We work 3 on 3 off most of the time. Sometimes you end up with a 5 to 7 day break about every 7 weeks or so. If I couldn't do 12's, I'd have to change jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

we do the 2 on 2 off every other fri-sat-sun.  we came from 8 hr shifts of 6 on 2 off.  That sucked!  12's are great.  after coming from the 8's we now get 52 more days off a year.  out of our 2 week pay period we have to work one 8 hr day which in turn gives you your 80 hours.  now your first off day will be spent sleeping if your on nights.  we work 6p-6a.  or 6a-6p.  we have 4 squads.  2 day shift squads and 2 night shift squads.  you work 4 weeks of one shift and 2 of the other.  what really sucks is the switching from nights to days or days to nights.  we really want perm. shifts.


there are more pro's than con's for 12 hour shifts.  There are a few other minor details such as training and things that would have to be worked out but depending on the department some do things differently and handle those situations better than others. 


good luck

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

12 hour shift are great but the person setting your on/off days can kill any benefit.  Our only problem is the on/off days aren't set and sometime you don't know what your work the next month until 4 day before.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

12 hour shifts is the only way to go in my opinion...ive been doing it for 10 years...never having to work more than three days in a row really helps cut down on burn out...good luck getting it changed

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Hi our department will be doing a pilot project to have 12hrs as well as 10hrs overlapping with each other.. Question for services that already have 12hrs, what do you do for sleeping facilities, should the officers shift go past 12hrs or if they have to appear in court?? Do you have them available? 


Thanks for any insight!!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

My department works 12's with a 4 hour, that way it will be a 40 hour work week with no o.t.  I LOVE it, and wouldn't want it any other way.  We have tried 10's and 8's and the 12's just give you so much more time off and time with the family.  At this point we are short staffed so we are working alot of 16 hour shifts, but once we get fully staffed we don't have overtime unless someone calls in sick.  We also bid for our shifts.  You have a choice of either days or nights and then we have 2 to 3 float positions and they don't have a set schedule (usually low seniority gets those.)  As for court, it stinks when you work nights.  We do have a place to sleep but only 1 or 2 (at most) can sleep on the fold out couch in the "quiet" room.  I think 12's take some getting used too, but give them a chance, I think you will love having 3 days off on the weekends!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

My agency has been on 12 hrs for many years now.  We used to rotate every 3 months but now we have permanent shifts.  Each shift has to work 1 weekend of the opposite shift a month.  I love it.  When we worked 8 hrs I felt like I did not have enough time to work traffic or any case that took much time.  On 12's there is usually plenty of time to do pretty much anything.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

here it goes. I have worked just about every combo in the 30+ yrs on the job. My own fav is the way it was when I started, 8 hr days, 5 day weeks, 1 month on each shift, rotating, 2 off days remained the same for month. Oh yea did I mention the change over parties ha ha great times. worked those 12 hr 2 on 2 off scheds on nights closes I ever came to telling them stick it. report for work at 7 pm it the streets with a 20 + call backlog half emergency calls work like hell till 3 am then nothing till 5:30 when the bogus alarms start coming out. Sleep your complete 1st day off. garbage, of course the day watch people thought it was great. and then mandatory court during sleeptime, that schedule turned many a go getter into a drone than anything else I have seen.
Bottom line: If your department/area is high volume, or is short manpower 12 hr shifts will burn your people up. Rotating the days 7 nights can help some. BUT it is not worth the price; burn out, short tempers, extreme fatigue, vehicle crashs,
My suggestion is to do a calls for service analysis, study the area hot spots, anticipate where and when you will shift the crime. I would suggest a 5 platoon system all 8 hrs. Design the best deployment of the resources. You will find that 3 traditional shifts with the addition of sub-platoons that are flexable within the 24 hr day will serve your citizens and officers better. I proposed this here for our AO it was implimented by the commander and was working quite well until the department put evryone on 12s.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I work 12 hours...days off then nights off... 15 days a month..one i consider my short weekend and one long.  I LOVE IT!!!  To me, its not hard to get use to and other when i first started in 1991 when we worked 8 hour shifts for about a month..you can't beat it. the 8 hour shifts i didn't care for too much.  Some departments work two weeks of days and two weeks nights, but i really like the every other day and then nights.  I think it would be a good move, or at least a good experiment...good luck!!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

We work three 12's a week for three weeks and then a week of four 12's.  We don't rotate until once a year during shift change.  We switched a couple years ago from four 10's due to short staffing.  It's 36 less days we have to work a year.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I've been doing the twelve hour shifts for almost eight years now, 7-7.  I love it.  When I am on day shift, the day typically goes by pretty fast.  However, night shift after 2 goes by as slow as Grandma drives.  But I love the 12's and I love the off days.  I wish we had a 10a-10p or 11a-11p.  I would be on that one like white on rice. 


Logistically it makes more sense to me to have one shift change per day instead two.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

My department has used 12 hour shifts for many years now, but our schedule is 4 on and 4 off with permenant day and night shifts.  We yave a yearly shift pick so those that want to move around can.  We stagger our start times with officers coming in 5AM to 5PM - 5:30AM to 5:30PM - Sergants come on at 6AM and 6PM then a 6:30 and a 7AM to 7PM.  We have weekends off every three weeks for a couple of weeks in a row, but the times off are always moving forward.  I love the permanant shifts, especially on nights and the four days off are great.


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