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SWAT Tranquilizer Darts?

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Swat_officer_max50

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Posted about 6 years ago

 

I'd like to hear from some SWAT operators and supervisors on this concept...why don't we do this?  When a suspect is in the open or in a car, is armed but not actively threatening and we've exhausted other options, why can't we go this route instead of a straight assault?  There was a deal in Northern Utah the other day (check my comment wall) with a mental part time fireman...armed with a gun, one shot fired during a DV, cops tried it all for 12 hours and then did the vehicle assault, ended up shooting him, which I am fine with, but why not get one more step in there, mostly for our safety?  We'd need a medical doctor, we'd need a hospital trip, increased liability, but isn't that better than a vehicle assault with an armed suspect when he knows we are coming?  I don't care how many bangs you throw, that sucks.  We don't always have unlimited time.  Thoughts?  I'm imagining the crazy guy with a sword cornered in Seattle that they hit with the fire hose, too, that kind of thing.  I realize that with medical complications to the drug, it is probably a deadly force option, but I don't think the assault is any less risky for him and that is way more risky for us.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Never thought of that?


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Cot_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

VERY good idea for sure but it also falls under the damned if you do and damned if you dont.  heck, you hit the person with a tranq dart and then find out that they are allergic to the metal in the needle or they are accidentally shot in an artery and they bleed out.  just one of those things.  no doubt would be worth looking into and could actually save someone that deserves some real help.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

It seems to me that was tried in Russia, (I think), a few years ago. A hostage situtation where "sleeping gas" was launched into a theater, (I think), some victims/hostage takers died from the gas it self, others from gun fire from the hostage takers and/or the breeching team.


James Bond tranqulizer darts shot from 50 yards? Just think of the feet per second (think velocity) that dart would have to be traveling just to reach the target, how is penetration going to be controlled?  The use of "sleeping gas" or currently known meds' that are used in a hospital would, as you pointed out, be leathal force. Some would say it would be another tool in the tool box to use, others would say it would be a red eyed monster waiting to jump up to bite you.


As a former swat member, shield man then sniper, I would not want to be the one to use a "unknown" when my team is in danger. Gas/Bangs/Beanbags/Taser are only distraction tools to give the team time to overwhelm and overcome. Sometimes, for one reason or another, the perp isn't willing or able to be overwhelmed or overcame. Thats when the bad ju ju has to be used. It is sad to say but... the perp, not the officers, is the one to decide if he/she is going to force the use of leathal options. 

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I know some dopers who would love to get shot with a dart, free high!

Tahoes_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I will say from the SWAT Medic point of view....  The use of deadly force in a standoff situation is many times an instant decision that has to be made becuase of a action the actor decides to take.  I have used tranqs many times on animals running loose and those things just don't work right away.  Sometimes, they don't work at all or you have to shoot the animal several times.  I can only imagine this would be the case in many of these situations. 


One or two things will certainly stop the action which causes the officer to react.  Unfortunately a bullet is one and if we are close enough, electricity is another option.  While this may be a good idea in SOME instances, I don't believe it to be viable a majority of the time. 


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Another option would be the tazer round fired from a 12 gauge shotgun.  Never seen it used but I have seen it advertised and it looks like a good less than lethal tool that would kind of work like the tranq.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

We do have a tranquilizer gun, but it's used only  for animals.


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Swat_officer_max50

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Thanks for the replies.  I wasn't implying the original post that I thought of this, only that I was pondering the idea.  I like the TASER XREP concept and look forward to trying it out soon.  I wish we had a few more tools in our toolbox that weren't so blunt, but more precise.  Thanks again.


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