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Don't Retire Leo's

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Blue2_max50

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Posted over 6 years ago

 

As a "Contract" Federal Security Officer I can assure you my power of "DETAINING" is another word for arrest. Ever look up detaining someone  as vs. arresting someone according to Blacks Law Book? If you detain someone or impede there ability to leave you have effected and arrest, and can be sued for false arrest. A LEO has liability covered by their PD to cover their ass on such an action, but you can still be charged for false arrest.


After 25 years as a LEO and 23 years in the military (Active and Reserve), with a degree in criminal justice, I feel that as a "Contract" Federal Security Officer i should have the same power of arrest on "Federal Property"as any other LEO, and I dam well believe I have enough qualifications for it, problem is no one wants to take the liability. So what does it boil down to, "MONEY", no one, even the federal government wants to cover your butt if you make a questionable stop. The unbelievable part is I carry deadly force, certified by the federal government to that end, and in the state of Florida you can be charged with assault on a PO if you assault me.


I think arrest powers have to be on a case by case need, and training. Some unarmed poorly trained "GUARD" at a 5&10 store, at 80 years of age need not have powers of arrest.


In closing, Leo's if you ever retire and take a job in the "Private" sector I think you will have a different outlook on powers of arrest for security.

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Rate This | Posted over 6 years ago

 

Oh I gotta feeling this is gonna turn into a good one.  I will say this however, there is a definite difference between "detaining someone" and "arresting someone" and I am just gonna leave it at that and wish you luck with this thread.  Hope you are prepared to do a lot of typing......LOL.  By the way congrats on making 25 years in Camden w/o getting killed or going crazy, that place is a sh*thole.....LOL.


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Brother when I retire and go into the private sector it will be as a Raft guide, Fishing guide or Hunting Guide.  Maybe all three oopps I am drooling on my keyboard.          

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Rate This | Posted over 6 years ago

 

Thanks "CHIMP0082" Camden didn't make the most dangerous city for the past 20 years by chance, but thats a whole different thread.If there is a definite differance please in lighten me! To "tstanfill63" Another whole thread, I did not want to have anything to do with law enforcement either, Raft Guide I never considered, Writer is now my goal, think law enforcement is tough try getting a book published, again another whole thread. I did everything from deliver auto parts, to HR of security for U.S. Airways. A person is a salable item, and if all you have to market is Law Enforcement guess where you will wind up. Did go back to school and got my diploma in computer Science,but at age 55 in the IT industry you are a dinosaur, another whole thread!

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Rate This | Posted over 6 years ago

 

You can detain some one for questioning up to the point they want to leave and stop any questioning.  If you stop them from leaving, you better have the PC to arrest them.  A non custodial interview is a form of detention, but once you deprive them of the ability to leave that is when you must take action or let them go, until you have enough to arrest them.


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Rate This | Posted over 6 years ago

 

Yeah, Camden is definitely a sh*thole, I am right down at the other end of the Expressway (born and raised). 


As far as arresting vs. detaining, what Brooklyn said, ditto.  Basically my point or best example is- m.v. stops for most violations but lets just say for this example maintenance of lamps (brake light is out).  When you pull them over they are being detained and are not free to leave until you end the stop however they are not "under arrest".  Same goes for a ped. stop or field interview.  If I see someone coming out of an alley in the middle of the night in a high burglary area and I know they don't belong there, they are certainly not free to leave until the investigation or field interview is complete but they are not "under arrest" at that point either.  That's the point I was trying to make.


Let's face it we can be sued for anything or for absolutely nothing so me "detaining" someone and then getting sued for a "false arrest" is the least of my concerns.  I got sued once for telling someone to exit our boardwalk because he was on rollerblades after the prescribed bike hours in the middle of a crowded summer day.  The dumb f*ck goes down the ramp and falls at the bottom.  Turns out his ankle is broken and he is wearing his girlfriend's blades that were 4 sizes too small.  On top of that it was his first time rollerblading and he didn't know how to stop properly.  Guess what,  I GOT SUED!!!!   Go friggin figure, do my job and get sued due to someone else's stupidity.  God I hope that prick is reading this right now, and I hope on his 2nd rollerblade trip he wound up in a wheelchair!!!!!  But again that's a story for a different thread. 


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I understand what RetCop9855 is saying.  We had one of District Court Judges come down and give a MCA refresher course mandated by the department. He said the same thing.  If you detain someone, either putting them in  the back of a patrol car, in a room and block the door or imply that they can not leave by any resonable thought, you had better arrest them, because technically they are under arrest at that point. 


We have a trailer we use for command at large community events, and it has a room in the back with a door to the outside.   The judge said if we put someone in there, and stand in the door way, that can be considerd detaining that person.   The person doesn't feel they are free to leave if we stand in the door way and talk to them.


The Judge was very clear how he would treat this in court.  Period.


I also understand what others are saying here about detaining a person for questioning or officer safety. 


I think some of it comes down to how you are being backed by the system in your area.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Actually, when detaining someone, they have been "seized". You can detain a subject for a quick investigation. If that investigation warrants, then the person can be released. Rarely is someone "unarrested". An arrest is also a "seizure". In short while a detention and an arrest are both seizures, a detention is not an arrest. It can turn into one though.


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