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Expandable Batons and Prisons = Bad Idea

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Cj1643e_max50

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Posted about 6 years ago

 

My institution is moving towards expandable batons. Outside institutions I know they are great but inside? They can get lost, easy to hide, easy to conceal by inamtes if left lying around, etc, etc, etc.


I mean whatever happened to the PR-24s? That is an institution baton!


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

In Michigan we don't carry batons or chemical agent on us inside, but the Tactical Team uses a 36" wooden riot baton for disturbance control. I could see. and have pushed for collapsable batons for us on the Tactical Team because there are areas in the facility wear the riot baton would be to cumbersome and in the way.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I'm all for having tasers....but pretty much anything else on the inside is a bad idea...if an inmate shouldn't have it (for the most part) neither should you...too much crap to loose and you really don't want that stuff in the wrong hands.


I'm not talking about keys, cuffs and radios...I'm talking about knives, anything that can be used as a club, guns, drugs, ect, ect...


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

 No! I would be in so much trouble for smacking people left and right. We have heavy duty plastic butons but we are only allowed to poke, not swing =\


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

i would love to carry an asp on duty...oh most definatley, but i know of some people that may get a little happy with it..lol, i would rather have a taser though it i had it my way

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

We carry a big straight baton in the unit all the time, I put it in my duty belt 7 years after I work in the prison, like it,

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Ya know it's like what we were all taught. "keep track of your shit and don't forget that someone else may try to use it against YOU"


Here it is only bug juice. No clubs. All is accessable, nearby though. We all have our limits and I have found the mind game routine to be the most beneficial in my career.    Then beat the hell out of them (off camera)! Kidding!~!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Sorry about the lack of protocal and jumping in. I am an old school LT of a State Joint here in AZ and now Supervise a Seg unit with about 150 knuckleheads  on 23/1 7day gigs


It can be quite interesting, to say the least.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I kind of wish we were authorized to carry batons in our facilities. Although like mentioed above a few would ruin it for most of us. We have our tasers, and OC, but one more tool would be nice too, if for nothing else the control holds available with a baton are great.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

NorCalLEO says ...



  I love my collapsible baton and my MK-9 OC!  These are standard issue in California and I would not be a happy camper without it. When things kick off several officers with OC and batons can generally quell the situation in very little time. The use of a collapsable baton is extremely advantageous. It much easier to maneuver when space is at a premium, it can be deployed quickly and the "thwack" sound when it is deployed generally gets compliance without having to actually use it.


  I would not be comfortable taking on an inmate or inmates with edged weapons without these items.



You carry collapsible baton in the prison all the time?

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

NorCalLeo couldn't have said it better. Just the sound of the collapsible baton being expanded can quell an incident.  The PR24, when responding to alarms at times would fall off an officers belt if it wasn't held on too properly. I know that I personally prefer the collapsible over a PR24. 


So bad idea.  NOOOOOOOOO way. Just ask the poor souls that they are used against.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I am envious of you folks....we get a radio, a pen to write reports, a body alarm, and our God given IPC and unarmed self defense talents to keep us safe.  Granted, the on call CERT members are less than a minute away at a radio call or body alarm, but they only have cuffs......OC has to be checked out from central control by the shift commander if needed.  Batons, pepperball, we have all that in the armory, but have to be approved by higher than the shift commander before use.....we can have them in a matter of minutes but by then it may too late.  I know we only house 400 in our little podunk county facility, but in the jail section, we do have the same gang members, and guys going up for 10, 20 and life.  Like they say, it will take something really bad to happen for anything to change.....and even then, it may not.....


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

kyle313 says ...



I am envious of you folks....we get a radio, a pen to write reports, a body alarm, and our God given IPC and unarmed self defense talents to keep us safe.  Granted, the on call CERT members are less than a minute away at a radio call or body alarm, but they only have cuffs......OC has to be checked out from central control by the shift commander if needed.  Batons, pepperball, we have all that in the armory, but have to be approved by higher than the shift commander before use.....we can have them in a matter of minutes but by then it may too late.  I know we only house 400 in our little podunk county facility, but in the jail section, we do have the same gang members, and guys going up for 10, 20 and life.  Like they say, it will take something really bad to happen for anything to change.....and even then, it may not.....



That sounds pretty rough man. We all have our taser, OC, radios, and cuffs. Each level control has a mega devistator OC, multiple mini devistatos, pepperball gun that be grabbed by anyone qualified (everyone is) and ussually is there within a few seconds. We just got handed a memo saying no more cell saturations with the pepperball guns, which really sucks 'cause that was half the fun. Even though a lot of our guys (including me) love to go hands on, it's kind of nice to have other options.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

OC and Tasers, this is the only why to go! Asp's dont work, I have been there and they will not get the job done.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

The ASP and Chemical agent is always great to have as a tool, you must use caution and always be aware or your tools. These tools can save your life or others. I feel they should be used,  as always with caution. we carry OC, Taser, and OPN's, all are a great tools.


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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Nevada Department of Corrections are thinking about implementing the use of expandable batons within the institutional walls. From my understanding, they are going to start off with all the instructors having them and then some time down the road, they are going to have all the rest of the staff carrying them. It should be quite interesting because we are going to get the yae who's who like to mess around and probably break the batons. That will definitely tell who belongs as a C/O and who does not. Hopefully the dept is able to transition without all the problems.

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Rated -1 | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I'd rather see tasers before Expandable batons. In a riot they will get it. The may get your taser but they can't kill you with it.


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