My institution is moving towards expandable batons. Outside institutions I know they are great but inside? They can get lost, easy to hide, easy to conceal by inamtes if left lying around, etc, etc, etc.

I mean whatever happened to the PR-24s? That is an institution baton!

I'm all for having tasers....but pretty much anything else on the inside is a bad idea...if an inmate shouldn't have it (for the most part) neither should you...too much crap to loose and you really don't want that stuff in the wrong hands.

I'm not talking about keys, cuffs and radios...I'm talking about knives, anything that can be used as a club, guns, drugs, ect, ect...

i would love to carry an asp on duty...oh most definatley, but i know of some people that may get a little happy with it..lol, i would rather have a taser though it i had it my way

Ya know it's like what we were all taught. "keep track of your shit and don't forget that someone else may try to use it against YOU"

Here it is only bug juice. No clubs. All is accessable, nearby though. We all have our limits and I have found the mind game routine to be the most beneficial in my career.    Then beat the hell out of them (off camera)! Kidding!~!!!!!!!!!!!

I kind of wish we were authorized to carry batons in our facilities. Although like mentioed above a few would ruin it for most of us. We have our tasers, and OC, but one more tool would be nice too, if for nothing else the control holds available with a baton are great.

NorCalLeo couldn't have said it better. Just the sound of the collapsible baton being expanded can quell an incident.  The PR24, when responding to alarms at times would fall off an officers belt if it wasn't held on too properly. I know that I personally prefer the collapsible over a PR24. 

So bad idea.  NOOOOOOOOO way. Just ask the poor souls that they are used against.

kyle313 says ...

I am envious of you folks....we get a radio, a pen to write reports, a body alarm, and our God given IPC and unarmed self defense talents to keep us safe.  Granted, the on call CERT members are less than a minute away at a radio call or body alarm, but they only have cuffs......OC has to be checked out from central control by the shift commander if needed.  Batons, pepperball, we have all that in the armory, but have to be approved by higher than the shift commander before use.....we can have them in a matter of minutes but by then it may too late.  I know we only house 400 in our little podunk county facility, but in the jail section, we do have the same gang members, and guys going up for 10, 20 and life.  Like they say, it will take something really bad to happen for anything to change.....and even then, it may not.....

That sounds pretty rough man. We all have our taser, OC, radios, and cuffs. Each level control has a mega devistator OC, multiple mini devistatos, pepperball gun that be grabbed by anyone qualified (everyone is) and ussually is there within a few seconds. We just got handed a memo saying no more cell saturations with the pepperball guns, which really sucks 'cause that was half the fun. Even though a lot of our guys (including me) love to go hands on, it's kind of nice to have other options.

The ASP and Chemical agent is always great to have as a tool, you must use caution and always be aware or your tools. These tools can save your life or others. I feel they should be used,  as always with caution. we carry OC, Taser, and OPN's, all are a great tools.

I'd rather see tasers before Expandable batons. In a riot they will get it. The may get your taser but they can't kill you with it.