General Forums >> General Discussions >> No penalty tough enough for this!!

Rate

No penalty tough enough for this!!

970 Views
36 Replies Flag as inappropriate
Brian_max50

279 posts

back to top

Posted over 7 years ago

 

Blind Man Beaten & Robbed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

27-year-old Kris Scheppe is recovering from what some are calling an outrageous attack in Florida.

Kris, legally blind, was mugged while on his way to the National Federation of the Blind of Florida State Convention.

“The guy grabbed me by my shirt here and said give me what you got and then he punched me in the head. I'd say he hit me 20, 30 times ” He said.
Kris says he was traveling from Ft. Myers and had just gotten off the train in Downtown Tampa when the attack happened. The attacker not only punched and kicked him repeatedly, but stole all of his belongings. He took Kris's cell phone, credit cards and cash including money he was carrying as treasurer of a blind student group for a pizza party. The attacker even took Kris's white walking cane.

Tampa Police are looking for the attacker. He's described as a black man, 18-21 years old. He's 5'4" tall and weighs about 140 pounds. He was last seen wearing a knit cap, dark shirt and light shorts.

Michael_pic_max50

15 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Tell me what the 8th Amendment states?

Bbqxena_max50

153 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Amendment VIII (the Eighth Amendment) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the U.S. Bill of Rights, prohibits excessive bail or fines, as well as cruel and unusual punishment.

Forbidden Punishments:

drawing and quartering, disemboweling, burning alive, torture and punishing a natural born citizen for a crime by taking away his citizenship is unconstitutionally excessive.

Approved Punishments:

In Rummel v. Estelle, 445 U.S. 263 (1980), the Court upheld a life sentence with the possibility of parole for fraud crimes totaling $230.

In Harmelin v. Michigan, 501 U.S. 957 (1991), the Court upheld a life sentence without the possibility of parole for possession of 672 grams of cocaine.

The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the United States of America. It was adopted in its original form on September 17, 1787 by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and later ratified by the people in conventions in each state in the name of "We the People."

Suspect = Agg. Assault + money taken = Robbery (nice felony) + the victim is handicap (now enhanced the penalty) aaand more than likely has a Criminal History due to the nature of this offense.......more enhancement during sentencing period.........

Depending on Defense Attorney (really don't care about suspect but wants to make a name for themselves since case will be high profile) and the Judge or Jury.........I would say he's pretty much "Fair Game" still...Either way...life has a funny way of catching back up with ya, the suspect will definitely get what he has coming to him...

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

What a world we live in.. remember the 101 year old woman who was attacked by that coward?

9-11-logo_max50

1075 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

And the woman who was recently attacked while praying in a church. She used a pen to defend herself-- you go, girl!

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Tat2: Your statement life has a funny way of catching up with you, you seem to be a man who is smart enough to resort back to scripture. God's not a sucker. When it comes to everything his appropriate timing although often hard for us to understand is uncomparable to anything we do. He's made an appropriate time for everything under the sun. It's not our place to go against anything good that comes from him. I was wondering if you understood that
II Tim 2:3 refers to soldiers of Christ and not just our heroes of war (everyone who's ever defended our country). Memorial day is about all those who have gone before us not just our troops. I wanted to leave you with another scripture to meditate on; Ephesians 4:1-3. To each his own gift. Keep up the good fight.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Finishing_touches_max50

28 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Unfortunately the ending result in this case would be some liberal judge saying that the suspect was the victim of society he was beat and abused as a youth, he is a crack addict and his addiction is an illness so he cannot be held criminally responsible. Is stoning still a valid option? LOL Seriously it is unfortunate that we are seeing these types of crimes and you have to wonder where have we gone wrong in this nation. I personnaly believed that when we kicked God out of school is when we set the schools into being a breeding ground for criminal activity. regardless if you believe in God, allah, Buddah etc... religion taught you the basics that lieing, cheating, assaulting, adultry, and killing, was wrong. Not getting into politics but we need to take a hard look at our politicians and see what they stand for where do they stand for harsh penalties, what their voting records are like in supporting victim rights and laws that are tough on offenders.

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Canine86: Nicely said about kicking God out of school and how that affected people! =).. as sad as it is, its true

Img_3413_sq90_max50

717 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I agree with canine86. I really believe when we have babies having babies so they can't even teach their kids right from wrong, the liberal judges (especially here in Monroe County/NY) and especially when we aren't even supposed to say God Bless You without having people screaming we are violating their rights is it any wonder our society is the way it is. Something needs to happen. I personally hope they throw the book at this guy. I am sick and tired of hearing about the criminals rights what about the victims rights? This guy didn't think about the blind man's rights.

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Canine86: I'm going to give you my beliefs on religion and law. It's my interpretation of scripture. Before the law there was no law. Because man's inclination is toward bad the law was brought into place and God had a hand in preparing the laws. Our fight for good is not against the system but against the bad within the system. People don't change, times change. There have always been thieves, murderers, addicts ect., this hasn't changed. Styles, inventions ect. change. It can make me shudder to think about some of the ways times have changed. God is happy with the productive land and God created the man who made the invention. It's about how we use these things(including how we use the law) that matters.
I think the norm is that addicts are considered victims of themselves and are therefore capitulating when they commit crimes. Yet when true victims have been subjected to horrific (and also in the case of perpetuated) acts they are not always allowed an excuse to fight back or be protected. If a true victim capitulates, they are considered deserving the abusive treatment. They just can't win.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

603027000639_max50

164 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

let us not forget the asshole that carjacked that 80yo man a few weeks ago. It was caught on video surveillance, poor guy was caught between his car door and the car parked next to him while the f***ing asshole just beat on him. Cmon, beating up an elderly person? Man, you had better NOT be around if I see that. You'll know what the Son of God will feel like when I beat the crap out of them....hehe.
Sorry, just had to vent on that, tired of seeing that shit happening. I see someone beating my grandfather up, I am going to beat the literally living hell out of them, then call the police and said he fell down a few times while I was trying to cuff him.

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

(My?)God loves the blameless. He'd probably agree with you. Some news station I think CNN awarded the 100 year old woman a gift, told her she was a hero and the reason they were going to fight for the Granny Law. Her reply to them was "That guy was just lucky I wasn't still in my 80's." I was with my family when that other elderly man was on the news and I didn't really catch what was going on but according the people I was with people stood around and watched him be beaten. There the ones who should probably worry about how the Son of God feels.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

603027000639_max50

164 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

yeah, I did forget to mention in my post...that there were people standing around watching an elderly man get the shit beat out of him. Sorry to be an asshole about this but those people are f***ing pussys and dont deserve to be human at all. How could any one....ANYONE...stand around and just watch a helpless, defenseless old man try to fend off an attacker like that. Hope they all rot in hell.
Again, sorry for my foulness here, mean no disrespect but this kinda crap pisses me off!!

Bbqxena_max50

153 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Sues - "I was wondering if you understood that II Tim 2:3 refers to soldiers of Christ and not just our heroes of war (everyone who’s ever defended our country)."

Yes mam' I definitely know this by heart....one - I am a veteran, two - I'm currently a LEO, three - I'm a Christian and four - This is the first scrip I memorized on accident...I was lead to this after about three weeks in the woods and swamp......appx 60hrs of walking (patrolling) w/ 100lb ruck and no food for about two days...........It was my first month in Ranger Bat!

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Tat2: I was curious about how much scripture means to you since you mentioned it. I don't work in law enforcement but sat with the Domestic Abuse Counsel in this area about 3 years. The Counsel was made up of a Judge, members of three police departments and others who work on domestic abuse. There were also talks given by the State Police and times when many police attended the meetings. I was basically a victim several years before and after reading in the local paper the Counsel was holding a meeting at my childrens school to educate teachers I called and ask if I could attend. They invited me to attend meetings and I was allowed to tell some of my story to an audience . As someone who's been a victim and someone who's done a fair amount of research, I still feel I see where people fall short of a good approach to DV. I feel I've been directed to the scripture I need at the time I need it more than once. I'm not one of those people that can recite scripture and it's book number but I've read quite a bit of the bible and believe I have a good understanding of it's theme. The bible I use has a Bible Words Indexed in the back and it's very easy to use scripture to convey something by using that, which is what I did after reading what you wrote.
There's a good chance I needed to hear that scripture(II Tim 2:3) now too, as I'm going through trying times again. That scripture actually fits what I'm going through presently in a lot of ways due to being assaulted (simple assault) and still suffering much retaliation for complaining. Thank you.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Bbqxena_max50

153 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Scripture means a lot to me.....I was saved and baptised as a young teenager, but never gave it much thought after that....I heard all the same stories everyone else did, but never felt God in my life. It wasn't until I experienced the above story until I knew without a doubt that there is a God and he loves me....

I try not to say too much about it since I'm not very good at the scripture either and the last thing I want to do is not be able to defend it when it's challenged. I also know what it's like to have someone push "GOD" on you and that turned me from him further.....but I'm learning and don't think it will stop until my last breath....

I can say though, with much conviction, that Prayer is probably the most important. The reason saved people cannot feel Gods presence is due to sin, so they must go to him in prayer and ask for forgiveness. I recently started praying to be more sensitive to the Holy Spirit convicting me.... It has recently allowed me to disarm a man at work with a gun without any blood shed....Back in the day I would prayed that he pointed at me so I can be the one to get rid of another bad guy, but today my heart is changed.

I don't know all the answers, but I do know the only way to peace is through Jesus Christ. I would recommend two things.......be obedident to his word and pray... don't try to understand all of it at once and be patient.....

I'll say a prayer for you tonight when I go to bed.....be safe Sue

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I take Scripture in high school now and Tat2 summed it up... nicely said ;)

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

It is a very complicated subject, and there is so much to be taught

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I don't think it's good to push God on people either. I also think there are scripture that go along with that and believe I will always need to learn from the word. When your suffering evil it's hard to remember the times when God has come through for you. The retaliation I mentioned to you has been to somewhat of an extreme. It's been reported to authorities outside of the building it happened in. This includes that I wrote to a State Senator. He's asked for a release of information in my behalf and wrote me he sent the problem to the Attorney General's Office in Washington DC. Not sure if that means its more likely to be taken care of or not. Still, I have to consider my problem to be small compared to what some people are going through. I think my biggest problem may be trying to understand all of it at once. I'm going to think about that. I'll pray for you guys too.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

SuperTrooper: I'm surprised they teach Scripture in high school. I think a basic Law101 should be taught in high school also. Something that covers the basics. I went to college for 3 years for an accounting major and had to take a Business Law class. That was the first time I was introduced to a formal education in law and think some of that could be taught at the high school level. I also have an associates in Medical Assisting and had to take a class in Medical Law. Very informative and interesting. When I was around your age my sister worked for the Local Police as a record clerk. She use to come home devastated by the things that went on in what we thought was a quiet neighborhood. Later in life, she took classes in paralegal and I got a chance to see the many different types of law ect. (criminal, civil, real estate, probate...) and I would go to the Law Library with her and look things up. There's a lot to choose from and the basics would probably be of advantage to many students. It would probably give them a way to make an informed decision about what's expected.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I go to a Catholic high school and Scripture is under Theology... i agree about law, though, it should be taught, I would definitely take it.

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

SuperTrooper: I think your on the right track to doing well. I would say you are doing well with "Honoring your parents" the first command with a promise. When I wrote to Tat2 to each his own gift, and keep up the good fight part of what I meant is not everyone's made for the same job. You seem to love law and I hope you find your place in whatever you do.


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Thank you very much for the compliment..yes i am on the right track.. I am an honros student and have never been in trouble with the law, because I know first hand what will happen.. my friends are always getting arrested (my aquaitences).. I have gained many of these officer and civilans' respect on this site... and that adds to the love of the job.

Photo_user_banned_big

445 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Tat2: Just curious again and if you don't mind answering, which above story let's you know there is a God and he loves you?
The blind man's story?


In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness, for the problem of what we should pray for as we need to we do not know but the spirit itself pleads for us with groanings uttered.

No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5. Moreover, if anyone conten

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I can answer that using St. Thomas Aquians's 5 Proofs of God.. (learned it from Theology I in high school)

1 - FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion, anything moved is moved by another, and there can't be an infinite series of movers. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn't itself moved by another). This is God.
2 - FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can't be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn't itself caused by another). This is God.

3 - NECESSARY BEING: Every contingent being at some time fails to exist. So if everything were contingent, then at some time there would have been nothing -- and so there would be nothing now -- which is clearly false. So not everything is contingent. So there is a necessary being. This is God.

4 - GREATEST BEING: Some things are greater than others. Whatever is great to any degree gets its greatness from that which is the greatest. So there is a greatest being, which is the source of all greatness. This is God.
5 - INTELLIGENT DESIGNER: Many things in the world that lack intelligence act for an end. Whatever acts for an end must be directed by an intelligent being. So the world must have an intelligent designer. This is God.

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

the 1st mover means this.. the universe started as a single atom.. and osmethings need to put that into motion for it to have explded.. this is God

Photo_user_banned_big

415 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

If you do not understand others let me know and i will clarify

603027000639_max50

164 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

well guess I'm to blame for making this topic turn religious...I was just talking about a WW2 Veteran getting carjacked and beat to a pulp and then it turns to Scriptures.....hmmmm

Bbqxena_max50

153 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Too long to type, but it wasn't a story......it was my experience......first month in Ranger Bat (Military).....

Bbqxena_max50

153 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Onefineofficer - sorry if it offended you....she asked, so I had to give an honest answer.....be safe

Next Page >