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Cpd_lc_kerr_2_max50

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Posted about 6 years ago

 

need feedback form k-9 handlers in reference to their k-9 vehicle search tactics. i previous have been letting the vehicle occupants stay in the vehicle while i walk my k-9 around the vehicle. during a recent seminar i was asked why i do that. my responce is that our district attorney wants that claiming that if i remove the occupants and get an alert i have no grounds in searching the occupants because i have remove them from the vehicle and now they are classified as bystanders.


please send some feedback so i could confront my district attorney and have a meeting to change this.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Case law supports that when you have an alert on a vehicle, not only do you have probable cause to search the vehicle; but you can search the occupants of the vehicle in the same manner as "incident to arrest". United States v Anchondo (156 F. 3d 1043 (1998) Tenth Circuit.

Th_germanshepard_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

pcurtis918 says ...



Case law supports that when you have an alert on a vehicle, not only do you have probable cause to search the vehicle; but you can search the occupants of the vehicle in the same manner as "incident to arrest". United States v Anchondo (156 F. 3d 1043 (1998) Tenth Circuit.


 


 


Exactly. For additional case law on the use of drug detector dog, look at www.k9fleck.org It is, in my opinion, the most comprehensive collection of case law for the detector dog available. It's well worth the look.  As for leaving the people in the car, remember; Safety first. It's one of those decisions that you have to make on the scene.


 



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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

Even though you dont need it written permission to search will always cover you back side. I dont leave adults in the vehicle. I have been in too many fights with druggies after I find thier dope not to pat search for weapons before I search. I really dont like running my K-9 around a vehicle without another officer watching the suspect, but you still do your job.

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

I dont like it beacuse I have no idea what the occupants possess as far as weapons, and you always have that vehicle ready to run you over. The military does it like that, but thats diff all around.

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In Illinois, I request that all of the occupants exit from the vehicle. For Officer Safety purposes, the vehicle is never searched alone and my back-up keeps an eye on the suspects. Another problem that some other K-9 Handlers have run into and another thought is that some patrol dogs when conducting a building search will indicate upon subjects hiding behind closed doors, now the question is will the K-9 indicate upon the subjects sitting within the vehicle because they have narcotics upon them or because the K-9 is in odor of the human scent? To alleviate the problem, again I like to remove all of the occupants from the suspect’s vehicle. 
 
Just my2 cents..

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

We always get them out, pat them down and move them away from the car.  Backups must employ solid contact/cover principles and resist watching the K9 work.  Their job is to watch the suspects (and my back).   We never search alone.  Nothing we might find in that car is worth losing our lives over.

Th_germanshepard_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

We do it both ways. I agree never search alone, but we often have to run the dog alone. We've done that both ways, people in the car, or people out of the car. Agreed it's not always the best, but there are times you have to work with what you have. I've never had a concern about the dog responding to people in the vehicle. Think about it. The residual odor would be so strong the dog wouldn't really know if it was a person or just the residual. Of course we do training to ensure the dog is working in all situations. I've just never seen that as a problem.


 


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Cpd_lc_kerr_2_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 6 years ago

 

thanks for all the input. it has been really helpfull.  glad to know that i have alot of k-9 buddies for help.

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Again I am a new handler and our police is everyone out of the vehicle and windows up. If the dog hits then the dog goes straight in the car. The subject are placed beside the patrol car after being pat down. We try to have at least one over watch while we are searching. Thank you all for the information on case law.


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Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world, you pull any and all occupants from the vehicle before you run your dog. In the real world, this is not always possible. You have to train for both situations. First rule is make certain you K9 partner is clear on what YOU want him to do. You should be able to sniff a car whether there is someone in it or not. The key is making it clear to the dog what you want him to do and he responds accordingly.