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Posted about 7 years ago

 

I just wanted to know-- does anyone really wear their vests anymore? I know many who don't.

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Those who don't are fools, sorry to be blunt.

I know they're heavy and hot-- I wear one when I ride along.

And for the record, from a chaplain's point of view, it would be hard enough to break the news to a spouse that an officer had been killed, let alone having to explain why the officer didn't love the family enough to put up with the inconvenience.

It's like having to do a death notification when the deceased didnt wear his or her seatbelt.

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I agree 100%. I am 16 and my dad is a police officer, and unfortuntely does not it wear often enough. Thankfully though, he is not on the street, but the threat is still real.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

If I'm in uniform and in that patrol car, I'm wearing the vest. Every officer I work with doesn't go on shift without it.

P.S. No vest is bullet proof...only bullet resistant.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

In the Rochester area most of the Officers wear their vests and those who don't know I will jump on them for not wearing one. I have one friend who several years ago told me he didn't wear his vest because he usually was in the office as a supervisor. Two days later I was volunteering at the section and ended up responding with an officer to an officer down. It was that SGT. THANK GOD he survived but had to retire due to his injuries. Three years later at a domestic three officers were ambushed and shot by the husband. All survived but there was one who was definitely saved by his vest. He was shot 5X and the vest saved his life! NY state lost many officers last year, one of them was not wearing his vest and one of the defendants used that to blame the Officers Chief at his sentencing. Please guys and gals wear your vest. As an Officer I know once said he wears his vest because death is the ultimate discomfort. Stay Safe everyone!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I was on a call once where a woman got upset with me because the officer and I were wearing vests.

She asked, "What do you think I am, a mass murderer?"

I told her, "Ma'am, it goes on at the beginning of the shift and it doesn't come off until the shift is done."

Can you imagine having to pull over in the middle of responding to a hot call to put it on?

I'm sorry your dad has become complacent. Complacency kills cops.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

That is true GTS, and thank you for the correction. I wore one on a ride-along, and it really limits mobility. I have to get used to it.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ChaplainKeppy, I know you mean well but that is offensive to me. He is not complacent!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Supertrooper, you said yourself he doesn't wear it often enough, that sounds to me like complacency.

But, I'm sorry if I offended you. Obviously I don't know your dad, so I was generalizing based on your comment.

I hope he's NOT complacent!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I feel strange without it. I have a routine that I go through when I get ready for shift. That's do I don't forget anything. That includes my vest. It may be hot an uncomfortable; but it doesn't do me any good hanging in my closet. I work the worst areas of Richmond, VA (public housing), I have never seen an officer without one on. I personally know officers in other jusrisdictions that have had the vest save their life. Wear it. Like the Chaplin said- it's hard enough to tell a family that an officer has passed; let alone why they were not wearing a valuable peice of equipment.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Nice advice, I will keep it in mind in the future!

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If your dad is not on the street then it's fine not to wear a vest. When I'm in the office I take mine off but I never leave the building without wearing it.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Question, how much does the avg BP vest weigh? I wont ask what type of rds it can stop cuz I don't want the wrong people to know.

In the corps, our sapi plates weighed 8pds each so when put into the front & back of the flak jacket, the total wgt was like 20lbs, then add the kevlar helmet, mags of ammo, 2 water canteens, camelbak, etc, we had to patrol with like 30-35lbs of gear on us in the 95-100 degree temps in Iraq, so you LEOs that complain about your BP vest being heavy or making you hot, got nothing to really complain about when compared to a Marine's combat load.

Our sapi plates are designed to withstand repeated strikes from 9mm , 7.62 rds & fragmentation grenade shrapnel, of course, IEDs are a different story, you're pretty much SOL if in the lethal blast radius of an IED regardless if you're in a hummer or not.

bottom line gents, when out on the streets, it's a no brainer, wear your body armor!

Semper Fi

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Trust me in NYC you would want to wear your vest. Period...

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

In our Dept. it is in our policy that every officer must wear a vest while on the road. I don't know a single person that does not wear one.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I go as far as to wear the undercarrier, to, as opposed to putting the vest on over my uniform. It's a lot hotter, quite uncomfortable sometimes, but two things about it;

1) If a shooter sees my vest (outercarrier) he's going to try for a head shot, and even a 1% chance of a headshot succeeding is WAY too high of a chance for me to take.

2) Undercarriers just look sloppy on most officers. They ride up and expose even a little bit of belly, and your shirt gets all rumpled. It's just more friendly, as pointed out by the lady that wondered why the officers were wearing vests "to deal with her", to tuck the vest away under the shirt. It looks SO much better, and every bit counts when dealing with the public (and with supervisors who can decide whether to promote you or not!)

Just my $0.02.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

you know what, excuses, excuses...shame on all of you for not wearing your vest. I wear mine and yes, its very uncomfortable and hot and sweaty. I would rather be hot and sweaty for several hours then to be near death on an operating table in some hospital for several hours. Yes, the vest is NOT bullet proof, no such thing, but it will resist the damage you would recieve not wearing it.
The vest cant protect you if you dont wear it. I wear a vest made by ABA and its not the most comfortable thing to wear but you'll get used to it. I would rather get used to wearing it then getting used to being dead....anyday!!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

But even if you not on the street I think you should have one on or right by you because things happen all the time. For example, a shoot out in a mall or something like that and you have to run to the call and you for get. How many times did one of you 4get your car key somewere and you had to run? I bet all of you at one point because it things like this that just goes on.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Just recently there was a shooting at a courthouse, in which the shooter shot at the dispatch center so he could pick off the first responders who arrived to help, and sadly he did kill an officer-- just in the last week.

Last year there was one where the shooter came and sat outside a PD and opened fire and killed at least one and wounded more.

I think you're right-- even with an office job, it's a good idea to have one within arm's reach.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Our departments rules are that if you are in a uniform, you are wearing a vest. Period. They save lives, and really, once you get used to them, I barely even notice it anymore. I have even purchased my own larger vest that I wear outisde of my uniform that protects against stabs and rifle rounds, like I wore in the Marines.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

In Central Florida, most agencies (sad to say) do not require the wearing of vests. That is surprising since I have found the agencies to be very professional in almost every other respect. When I was a police chief, we secured grants for every officer to have a vest and we made it a mandatory policy to wear it. If we bought it for you, you have to wear it is what we thought at the time.

I even wore vest (even though I was often behind a desk) everyday, as well as my full duty belt along with duty weapon (Glock .45), dual magazines, OC pepper spray, ASP expandable baton, and two handcuffs. I had one officer ask me why I came in with all the equipment on and a dark shirt even though most other chiefs wore a small firearm with paddle holster only. My response was that if I expected the patrol folks to do it, so should the chief and the supervisors. Leadership by example.

Vests are that important!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Any officer that goes out on patrol without a vest in just nuts.

I personally know two officers who were saved by their vests in the past year. One was hit right in the heart with a .44 . The only reason both of them are alive is because of their vests.

I also personally know two officers who are DEAD today because they did not have a vest on. Both would have lived had they had a vest on.

In New York City, since vests were made mandatory in the mid 1980s, over 90 NYPD officers have been saved by their vests.

That's 90 mothers and fathers who got to go home and see their kids. 90 husbands or wives that are not widows. 90 sets of parents that did not have to attend their own child's funeral.

Just wear the thing. Hopefully you will never need it, but that one time you do, you will be happy you had it.

Also, wear your seatbelt.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I think anyone working in an official capacity should wear a vest, even in the office. The supervisors at the PD will be responding to the major call on the street and will have to throw one on anyway. Back in the day we had a "drive-by" at our PD parking lot.....You never know when it's coming and why take the chance....

I wear a vest everyday on the street with 2 trauma plates and a "Police Cross" for good measure.....

For everyone that feels they are too uncomfortable; go running in it.............then it will feel good just walking around in it.

SuperTrooper - Ask your dad to call and tell you everytime he's not wearing it! That might motivate him into wearing it more often:)

thanos0341- that brings back memories:) All of that with 100lb ruc-sac (Georgia Tick) falling out of a bird going 120mph..........NICE - nothing but good times until you hit the tar-mac after a 3hr low level "puke" flight........:)

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LOL tat2, (Georgia Tick) Just so you know that body armor saves lives, In my profile, you can see pics of me after I got home from Iraq on 6-22-03. I'm standing next to a Marine that was on my machinegun team & served as the ammoman. On the night of 3-26-03, we got into a vicious 45 min firefight & this Marine was hit dead center in the chest with a 7.62 rd which then deflected off his chest & tore into his arm! If not for that body armor, he woulda been KIA instead of WIA. We suffered 34 WIA & pretty much lost half our vehicles including all three 7 ton trucks. I've also included pics of the aftermath of the fight & what was left of the 7 ton trucks.

I consider myself very fortunate to have survived unscathed from that battle considering I was right next to this Marine when he got hit.

To all LEOS in the US, wear your body armor!

Semper Fi

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Oh I would never even think of such a thing! Even when I am called-out in the middle of the night, I put it on under my call-out t-shirt. Yeah it looks goofy sometimes, but who cares! I'm coming home to my family!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

This brings me to think about a discussion the guys had in the squad room the other day. They were making funof our DARE and GREAT (Gang Resistance Education And Training) Deputies because they actually wore their vests and their firearms when teaching at the schools.

Well unfortunately, with all of the school violence happening these days, I would do the same thing!! There have been weapons confiscated from 11 year olds, you just never can be too safe IMO

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Our SRO's (School Resource Officers) all wear their vests. While we have never had a shooting at our schools, they have had guns and other weapons confiscated. One of them even had a student attempt to take his gun fron him while he was breaking up a fight. Virgil was seperating two students from fighting and another came up behind him and tried to take his gun. Fortunately Virg was aware of what was happening and kept that from happening but I shudder to think what would have happened. Those guys would never think of not wearing their vest. Steletto, remind those guys that kids can fire a gun as well...all the school shootings prove that. LEO's should never assume that because of sex or age of the suspect the officer can't be shot and wear their vests and not hesitate to shoot if necessary..

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

If the Badge is on,, so is the vest......That should be ever ones motto.. I cant stand to see all of our brothers on TODMP!!!! I would prefer not to read about any of ya'll either.

Come on guys and galls, I will even beg>>>> PLEASE wear you vests..


Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. .

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

heres a story that'll hope make you listen to what everyones saying about wearing a vest. So, if you're too lazy to take just 45 seconds to put your vest on, then read on.

This happened about three or four years ago to one of our officers. I wasnt there but remember the story well. One of our officers had just gotten off work and was dead beat tired. We all get like that at times but this one officer was that tired. He said "I'll take my shit off at home" and drove off. He didnt make it home that night but instead, to the hospital. From what we know, his car was so totalled you couldnt even use anything as spare parts off of it. But you know what, his is alive today to tell about it because the trauma he recieved to his chest, was so little, because he wore his vest home that night.
The doctors said he should of been dead, but because he wore his vest, it saved his life...in an AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT of all places. Dont you think that maybe wearing your vest because of that reason alone should be good enough reason??
If you're not going to wear it, give it to somebody who will. Like I said earlier, it cant protect you if you dont wear it. My two and a half cents worth.....

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Wow, what a good story-- and interesting thought! I hadn't even considered the protection it gives in an accident.

That's ANOTHER good reason.

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