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Runnin into ex inmates/detainees outside of the fence.

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have you ever ran into an ex detainee/inmate? if so how was the interaction?


I ask of this because a few weeks ago one of our CO's was shot in mexico. I don't know if this was cause he ran into someone that may have been deported. But, it had me thinking about how fast the guys get released from our facility. We deal with alot of ms13, sorenos, mexican mafia, aztecas, ect... alot of southern gangs. We live next to the mexican border and it makes me wonder if I will ever run into any of our ex inmates/detainees. Its not really a big fear but something that kinda floats in the back of my head. Am I the only one who feels this way?


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I've into a few former inmates over the past 10 years. None of them have said or done much of anything when they saw me (as they were sex-offenders). There is almost always some potential for these encounters to go badly.

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I have ran into dozens....


It is always stressful, but I have never had anything happen.  Infact my wife and kids are now trained that if they here my last name called out they (my family) just walks away as they know I am most likely dealing with an inmate.  


I had one close encounter several years ago at Wal-mart.  I was walking in and holding my then 18 month old boy in my arms.  Coming out is a typical young gang banger dirt bag that we go hands on with every time he is brought in.  he and I met eye to eye and I was thinking.... $hit what do I do with my baby?  I knew I was carrying and also knew he would be too.  The hair was standing on the back of my neck, as I was pretty much between a rock and hard place trying to figure out how I could get my boy out of harms way.  


Then the dirt bag walked up and said.... "Hey Fryer your boy is cute.  Mine are over there playing the video game.  Just think in 20 years they will be on the opposide sides of the law like we are."  Then we both started laughing and he simply said..... "See ya in a couple of weeks."


And we did.  


I think that the majority of the inmates realize that we have a job to do and as long as you treat tehm like a human and adult are fine once they are out.  However, there is that small percentage that will do anything to make a name for themselves.  Just be prepared for the worst, pray for the best and always leave yourself a way out. 


 

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I have ran into dozens....


It is always stressful, but I have never had anything happen.  Infact my wife and kids are now trained that if they here my last name called out they (my family) just walks away as they know I am most likely dealing with an inmate.  


I had one close encounter several years ago at Wal-mart.  I was walking in and holding my then 18 month old boy in my arms.  Coming out is a typical young gang banger dirt bag that we go hands on with every time he is brought in.  he and I met eye to eye and I was thinking.... $hit what do I do with my baby?  I knew I was carrying and also knew he would be too.  The hair was standing on the back of my neck, as I was pretty much between a rock and hard place trying to figure out how I could get my boy out of harms way.  


Then the dirt bag walked up and said.... "Hey Fryer your boy is cute.  Mine are over there playing the video game.  Just think in 20 years they will be on the opposide sides of the law like we are."  Then we both started laughing and he simply said..... "See ya in a couple of weeks."


And we did.  


I think that the majority of the inmates realize that we have a job to do and as long as you treat tehm like a human and adult are fine once they are out.  However, there is that small percentage that will do anything to make a name for themselves.  Just be prepared for the worst, pray for the best and always leave yourself a way out. 


 



I've seen a few at Reno & Fallon Area Wal-Marts. I'm starting to get the feeling that Wal-Marts are giant friggin' magnets for dirt-bags & $hit-heads.

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well ive had one but I didnt know the guy, in june we celebated my birthday at a local water park, my lt pulled me aside and pointed to the direction of a man he said was in the facility next door to ours. later on him and a few of his buddys tried jumping a constable, without a second we jumped in to protect the guy. it was also an eye opener on how law enforcement has to look out for one another.ive heard storys from my supervisors that say they have ran into ex inmates at bars with no problem, they will buy them a drink and they will return but not stay long for fear they might get set up.


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It has happed to me more times than I could count, especially since we live in a area made up of several small towns. Usually the just walk by and say hi. It is a little more mentally tense when I am out with my family cause my theory is screw me, but don't screw with my family. Luckily that hasn't been a problem. My wife is a school teacher, and she has either had or had family of people we have had incarcerated. But most people we have had in jail already know that if they see me on the street  there is a 99.9% chance I atleast have my backup on me.


A few months back I had a frequent fly walk by me at a mall and he just walked by and said hi. Just his dumb criminal luck but I had just received a copy of a warrant we had for his arrest. I live in another town so I called the local PD (where I know most the officers) and they picked him up. His brother did get in my face about it and called me every name in the book (like I never heard that before), but a friend who arrested his brother squashed that before he got stupid.


So basically it is always a possibility, but you just have to be aware and safe.

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have you ever ran into an ex detainee/inmate? if so how was the interaction?


I ask of this because a few weeks ago one of our CO's was shot in mexico. I don't know if this was cause he ran into someone that may have been deported. But, it had me thinking about how fast the guys get released from our facility. We deal with alot of ms13, sorenos, mexican mafia, aztecas, ect... alot of southern gangs. We live next to the mexican border and it makes me wonder if I will ever run into any of our ex inmates/detainees. Its not really a big fear but something that kinda floats in the back of my head. Am I the only one who feels this way?



Yeah, I have.  I worked at the church at this time and had just been in the Jail Ministry a coulpe of nights earily.  SCARED me to death, because this guy had killed someone in a fight--ok accused of.  Don't know WHY he was out, but he was.  I was in a grocery store that is normally quite busy.  This day there was not another soul on either isle next to where we were.  I found a bottle of bleach and suddenly had to buy that.  Kept that in my hand -- just in case.  He "just wants to talk".  Thankfully God sent my angel -- an LEO from the church, Juan.  Juan was one of the officers that came every Sunday due to the offering having to be taken from one building to the other to be placed in the safe.  Juan was in full uniform and suddenly the perp had to leave. 


I always thought there would have been more to the story but God had it under control.  After that day, I always had a metal cane that I carried with me in that store--NEVER leave home without one.  Several times after that incident, Juan would stop to ask if everything was alright.  It always was, but Juan felt he needed to be certain so I'm sure there was more to the story than even I thought at the time.


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Thank god the uniformed officer was onsite. For reasons I carry a stunbatton in my car and Personal OC in my glove box. Thinking about going for my consealed handgun


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Thank god the uniformed officer was onsite. For reasons I carry a stunbatton in my car and Personal OC in my glove box. Thinking about going for my consealed handgun



Your Department doesn't authorize CCW off duty? Here in Nevada, it's written into the Nevada Revised Statutes allowing CO's to carry off duty without a permit.

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killtank says ...



Thank god the uniformed officer was onsite. For reasons I carry a stunbatton in my car and Personal OC in my glove box. Thinking about going for my consealed handgun



Your Department doesn't authorize CCW off duty? Here in Nevada, it's written into the Nevada Revised Statutes allowing CO's to carry off duty without a permit.



Not all states are like that...here in WA, heck for even a CCO (Community Corrections Officer [you may know him/her as a Parole Officer]) to be able to carry concealed while ON DUTY they have to put in a request and have to have a legitimate reason...but we all know the reason, just proving it to a liberal paper-pusher may take a body bag.


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I've run into ex-cons several times, but luckily have had no confrontations. Regardless of how many times I run into them it is always a tense situation. In the area I live in (30 miles from my facility) we don't have much of a gang problem, and the cons from my area are more of the unarmed robbery and child molester types. I have always been a rule enforcer and don't cut much slack. I don't deviate from my normal behavior towards inmates. Most see it as being consistant and have respect for me, but others think i'm a hard ass. The later are the ones that really stress me out when I see them in public. I am uaually with my family, and carrying an off duty firearm. When I notice them I send my family on without me and deal with the interaction one on one. Though there has been several times the ex-con has approached me without my noticing them. Thank God my wife knows that when anyone approaches me to talk she dose'nt stop moving and continues on until I catch up.


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I have ran into a few over the years, but only had one "confrontation". I was walking out of the local corner store as he was getting out of his car he saw me and started hollering at me and cussing me. I started walking in that direction, he got back in his car and I just walked on by got in mine. I couldn't help but laugh a little, the look on his face as I started walking towards him. He was all tough, until I started walking in his direction, then the punk got nervous and crawled back into his car. But for the most part, when I see one in the world I usually get a small greeting of, 'Hey Boss, whats up?" and they just keep going.

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I am an ACO Armed Corrections Officer and the Inmates know this. First thing I was taught is to treat every inmate with respect because you never know when you will run into them again or who they know on the outside.


My most memorable encounter was when an ex inmate knocked on my front door trying to sell me home improvement products. He said "what's up CO" I was a little taken back.  My wife was inside and my dog was barking at the front door. We talked about what he was selling, we BSed a little bit like at work and I told him I wasn't interested. He said "you must be pretty intimidated now that I know where you live." I said nope I don't have to play by administrations rules out here. You come in or threaten me and I'll put one in your pelvis, one in your chest and one in your head if my german shephard doesnt get to you first. He laughed and went on his way. He has been back to jail a couple times and always tells me better give me what I want or I will tell everyone where you live. I always tell him go ahead b/c I know where your sleeping tonight. I don't trust any of them, but I also get very little flack out of them because I don't treat them like shit at jail. I do what I tell them I am going to do and don't push my authority around. The few other encounters have all been pleasant and they have said your an all right CO. As most of the other posts on here my wife knows that if we are in public and I just disappear or some one says my last name just to keep on walking.


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Well one night on my way home from dropping off my carpool guys, my wife calls me and asks me to go to the store and pick up some stuff for the house and of course I did in uniform. So I get what I need and get out of the store. As I was walking to my car, I guy and his daughter stop me and asked if I was with the military as his daughter was in the JROTC here. She also said that if I was military that she was supposed to salute me. I told them that I was not military and that I was a Corrections Officer for the State of Nevada. Then the guy pops up and says that he used to be an inmate with NDOC several years back and he used to be in the institution that I work at now. I just looked at him and said nice and in the nicest possible way told them that I need to get home. With that, I got in my car and left. Of course, I had to report it to my Sgt and let them know how the encounter went.

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I have ran into a lot of ex inmates as this is a small community and this is a small correctional facility. I have good chance to see and meet several in a weeks time. Nothing too bad; mostly hi how's it going. But I would never leave my truck parked outside of the garage cause I can't afford the tires and engine de-sugaring.


When I worked at the KY State Pen, I was always leery about meeting someone I may have had a big beef with inside, but never did. BUt it has made a more cautious person when out in public. Always looking at everyone I meet or greet.


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I have run into inmates outside of the jail, I have not had any problems with any of them. Like Kilo5 said treat them like people and they usually won't give you a problem. There is always the possibility that one will only recognize you as a CO and try to start some shit. My wife has figured out that they usually call me by my last name or Sarge or something like that. I try to stay away from that end of the county where most of the inmates and gang members are.

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I carry all day every day when off duty.  I have had several "encounters", but nothing serious.  Still, it's better to have it and not it...


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I hope ya'll don't mind a Probation and Parole Officer chiming in but ya'll all know what our lives are like everyday. I can't tell you how many times I've ran into cases in stores, yes, with my kids with me. The worst scare I ever got was one night my husband and I were in a local bar that we considered "home turf". And yeah I was stupid and was sitting with my back to the door, when someone put their arm around my neck (under my chin) kissed my cheek and said "how you doing Ms. D". I didn't even know this guy was out of prison (I revoked him). I turned around bought him a drink, and told him how upset I had been that I had to revoke him (yeah, I lied) we chatted a few minutes, I got my husband and got out. Oh, I also told his new po the next day that he was in a bar and drinking. Back in my younger days I was statistician for the Baton Rouge Darts Ass. for a year or two, I was in the bars everynight. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a bar and people left. I used to tell my cases that if they went into a bar and there was a dart board on the wall they better get out cause they never knew when I was going to show up. Oh, drinking and going to bars is a violation of probation or parole.


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It happens EVERY single time I go out. To the grocery store, gym, post office whatever. I live in a small town with a lot of scumbags so pretty much everyone at some point has been arrested, been in custody, whatever. I have never ( knocks on wood) had a bad encounter with one. They always call me by my last name and say something like "wow you got days off! good to see you on the outs".  One time in a bar acutally a habitual arrestee was talking to my husband saying I was a cool ass lady and he would have my back anyday on the streets due to the fact I always treated him with respect.


 


There is a lot of bozos who talk about the whole respect give and take thing but dont actually live by it. Its something they have heard on lockup raw or whatever and they think thats what convicts are supposed to say, its bs and never ever trust that. Some do live by that,its rare but regardless always try to be firm but fair, it might save your ass one day.


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It's happened to me numerous times.  That's why I pack off duty at all times.   One time it happened when I was out with my daughter.   The guy didn't do anything but say, "What's up Officer Dan!" but it was enough to get my blood flowing.   I had arrested him for aggravated battery for beating up his girlfirend. 

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It has happened so many times. So many in fact my wife and kids quite asking who was that they already figured it out. I feel that if you earned respect while they were in jail by traeting them fairly but firm to the ruls and regulations thay are just glad to be out. They usually do not want to talk to you any more than you want to talk. It is always hello how are you and bye. I worked in the jain and now on the road and see both sujects and victims and I can really never tell the diffrence. Never had a problem or harsh word in hundreds of incidents.


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I live in Palm Coast, Florida. I have ran into this same scenario. Walmart is the inmates Haven, we refer to it as the inmates Town Center because they all seem to congregate there. As it has been said again and again, treat them like humans and with respect and they will respect you also. Remember they know the game, they play it all the time. And then there are the ones that are pieces of shit and well then we have to treat them a little differently.

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This is an every day occurence for me.... I live in such a small town and work for the local Sheriff's Office that a simple trip to the gas station, I am hearing my last name.  What really sucks now is that more and more ex inmates are needing child care and my mom happens to own a child care center in the area, so several ex inmates can be seen up there, so I guess they feel the need that when they come back to jail they have to ask how my mom and her business is doing, I simply say fine and keep walking.  But while I am out and about I am cautious but always get a hello, hows it going and thats about it.  Its all in how you treat people inside the fence, like several others have mentioned if you treat everyone like they are human and by the book, then usually they treat you with respect inside and out.


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One time the wife and I were in town, I was sitting at a redlight, car in front of me and one behind me, so I was boxed in. I had my window cracked maybe half way, on the corner are 3 black males, I hear, HEY, THAT MOTHER F*****S a C/O, no place to go, They come off the corner and start heading for my car, I reach in the center console and grab my pepper spray, they musta thought I was going for a gun, since they ran down the street. My wife used to be a little frighty about me carrying my sidearm and to make her happy alot of times I left it home, since she has seen and been part of that, she will ask me when we are going out, you got your gun on you ?


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This doesn't happen to me too frequently because I rarely spend my free time in the areas that I work.  However, I did run into a sex offender who was working the cash register at my favorite Jimmy John's location.  He was clearly more uncomfortable about me being there than I was about him.  I made sure that I paid with cash (didn't want his grubby little hands on my credit card) and made sure he didn't touch the sandwich.  I told a few co-workers about my encounter and they just had to ask if I was "sure that was mayonnaise on my sandwich."  Needless to say, I haven't been back to that location since and have found a new Jimmy John's location to enjoy.  


However, the chance of running into one of these guys on the street is just one more reason to carry 24/7. 

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From another Parole/Probation Ofc.......


I supervise a specialized caseload of domestic violence offenders so my folks already don't really like authority.  Right after I started I had to run into a convienence store to pick something up.  I grabbed what I needed and got in line at the register, thinking about being off for the night, making dinner etc.   All of a sudden I realized one of my dirtbags I've been looking for is right in front of me in line...and he saw me before I saw him.  The guy leaves the stuff on the counter, throws me a sideways glance and takes off out the door.


This is when I thanked God the guy was....in front of me..... methed out scared instead of methed out mean.....didn't turn around and clock me while I was daydreaming.  Total wake up call - from that night on I always check myself when out and make sure I'm at the level of awareness I should be and I always trade my duty weapon for my off duty carry before I leave the office.  I also made sure my family understands if we're out at the store or movies and I all of a sudden walk off in mid sentence it's not because I'm being a jerk....it's because I see a client and they don't need to know about who I hang out with - this has happened multiple times already.  Just glad I learned my lesson early on - stay safe!!


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I have bumped into inmates a couple of times on the outside.


One time was right after shooting at an indoor range in Scottsdale, AZ.  I stopped in to get a drink at a Circle K and the guy behind the counter said, "Hi Mr. Rice."  I said hi.  Paid with cash and left.  No problems.


One other was at the County fair with my family.  An inmate kept yelling out my last name and calling out C.O.  Well I don't answer to my last name outside of work and I'm a D.O. not a C.O. so I didn't respond.  He got in front of me and asked why I didn't respond to his calls.  I advised him that I have ignored the other thousands of people here at the fair why would he be any different.  He just walked away. 


 


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For those that may, you don’t want to get in a shouting match or make a bunch of threats. It’s best to just blow the encounter off and go on about your day. But you may need to get it through their head that you will not hesitate to put them in a pine box if they ever put you in that position. And make sure you report the encounter right away so if they call to make up stories about you threatening them the real story will already be known. Predators don’t respect logic or reason – they respect only power – most times they don’t even respect that. So keep your cool. Remember, the only difference is that you didn’t know who they were before they were locked up. They probably didn’t know you either.

As for dealing with an attack they may bring against you while you have loved ones in your care – the best defense is still a good offense. If they are bringing a fight to you – put it back on them, and I mean but hard! Get away from your loved ones to draw the attack away from them and VIGOROUSLY apply defensive force against your attacker(s) until the threat no longer exists. If you don’t have another adult handy and you’ve got a baby, use your body to shield it and fight with whatever means you have while extracting yourselves from the area. If you’re concerned about scenarios like this, chap-up your chain of command. They’ve been there too and can usually give you good advice about the specific problem.

This is where Jailors, Patrol Officers, Prosecutors, Attorneys, Judges, Parole Officers…. Everybody in “the family” is on purely equal ground. We can all be targeted by some dipshit with a grudge. No big deal. Just part of life. Just be prepared.


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Everytime I go to the store, there is an ex-offender there who sometimes bags my purchases.  I do not remember him as a "memorable" person while in custody, but he always calls me Lt. tells me have a good night, etc. 

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Good topic and I was wondering how others faired.


I am always strict at my jail.....but fair and the inmates know this. Many have asked


to visit me when they get out (I don't encourage this) and I say "We'll see".


I have run into literally DOZENS of ex inmates and never fear them. Of course these are JAIL and not


prison inmates. No problems yet.

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