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Posted about 6 years ago

 

UPDATE TO THIS POST, AS OF NOV/08, THE MAYOR AND CITY FINALLY CAME THROUGH WITH OFC.MCMORAN'S BENEFITS FOR THE FAMILY. IT ONLY TOOK ABUT 6 1/2 MONTHS TO COME THROUGH.


Recently, my step father Ofc. Ralph McMoran died on duty. He served on North Little Rock Police Dept. in AR for over 37 years. He served in several divisions within the department over the years. Watching him come home in uniform over the years was very exciting to me. Coming home in his "blues", he would share something that he did during his shift. Some stories were very exciting to me. And some he kept to himself, due to something bad happening.  As a kid, I told my friends that I too would become a police officer someday.


As the years went by and I got older, I never changed the fact that I wanted to become a police officer. Over the years, I would see young officers come and go through my dads field training period. I gained so many friends..and now consider family.


After serving as a reserve officer for a number of years, I finally joined the ranks of full time officer. I was so proud, and was very excited to tell my dad and uncle, who is a lieutenant at another agency.


Late 2007, I was deployed to Operation Jump start on the mexican border. I served there for 6 months, before getting notice that our army unit was getting deployed to IRAQ. So our unit recalled us to AR. Our unit trained up for several months, before deploying to IRAQ. So I took some time to spend with my dad before leaving. We even took a family portrait of us in unifrom.


While serving in IRAQ, I was informed that my dad had died. After calling home, I learned that he was on duty at the firing range. He suffered a heart attack on duty, and was rushed to the ER by his co workers. Within a couple hours, my father died at the hospital.The department  performed a wonderful funeral service for my father. As the weeks went by and then the months. Sifting through the legal documentation, we have been denied several times from the department his death benefits. Not sure why they would treat the family of an officer that served 37 years this way. Recenty, we have learned the Mayor (P.Hays) is on the board of commission for worksman comp. He is the deciding authority.


If anyone has ever or is experiencing something like this. Please feel free to leave comments. And if you would like to comment anyway, please feel free.


God Bless you all !!!    And thank you


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I am sorry for your loss.  It doesn't take blood to make a family and it sounds like Ofc. McMoran was your father in every way except blood.   His death and the Workers' Comp Board's decisions must be very painful for your family.


The board should be required to carry insurance and report to a larger governing body - probably the State Workers' Comp Board.  There should be an avenue for appeal of the local board's decision and the local board should have to give you documentation as to why the claim was rejected.  If they won't give you the paperwork or the information, go directly to the State board.  If there isn't one or if they give you the run around, contact an attorney who specializes in death benefits law and/or workers' comp law and/or Fair Labor & Standards Act.  You have to wonder if the mayor isn't vetoing the payments for some ulterior motive.  It's not like the money comes out of his pocket.


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Chris, I am sorry to here about your loss.  The city's apparent lack of concern for the family of an Officer that gave 37 years of his life to serving and protecting the same said city is appalling!  And to know he passed away while on duty and they still refuse to fulfill their obligation to his survivors just make me sick to my stomach.  I pray Mayor Hays comes to his senses and does the right thing.  I really hate to here about a career officer's family having to go throught something like this.  Good Luck, please keep us updated.  Joe

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The bad thing is some of the same people that were at the funeral, and spoke so highly of my dad....were the same that are dening his benefits...


I just want my family to be secure after my fathers death. He was the bread winner of the family. I hope that my mother gets something for the 37 yrs of great service that he rendered for the department.


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I guess different states different laws, but I know there are numerous officers that have died on duty from heart attacks and have been declared line of duty deaths.  Part of it may be how the Department pursues it.  We had a Sgt that retired, and was at the beach with his family when a kid in the ocean got in trouble. This retired sgt swam out, helped the kid get pushed back in close enough to shore that the kid made it, the Sgt drowned.  He was declared a line of duty death and awarded all benefits just because he acted the way he was trained his whole career.  We have Troopers that have had heart problems that have been classified as Workman's Comp approved because we have a hypertension and heart disease law.  Check you state laws, it may be mandated.


Sorry for your loss, and Thank You for your dual services.


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First off, I want to say, how sorry I am for your loss. You and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.


 Have you had any contact with your local Chapter of Concerns of Police Survivors? They may be able to help. Some PDs do not realize that it may qualify for the PSOB. We had a local Officer die of a heart attack two years ago and the PD did not realize it qualified until I told them They then ruled it LOD and applied for PSOB. It took two years but the ruling came through and was approved.


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Awhile back, one of our department instructors told us about the Hometown Heroes Survivor's Act.  It is administered by the Federal government and I believe that it states that if an officer dies on duty or within 24 hours of his/her last shift, the family is eligible for benefits.  It could supplement any benefits that you may or may not get from the local agency.   My prayers go out to you and your family.  God Bless you.


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Awhile back, one of our department instructors told us about the Hometown Heroes Survivor's Act.  It is administered by the Federal government and I believe that it states that if an officer dies on duty or within 24 hours of his/her last shift, the family is eligible for benefits.  It could supplement any benefits that you may or may not get from the local agency.   My prayers go out to you and your family.  God Bless you.



That's the PSOB i was talking about. The PSOB stands for Public Safety Officers Benefits and is through the Department of Justice. They now refer the Department and family to Concerns of Police Survivors to assist with the paperwork. As I said before, it is possible the Department may not even know it may fit into the Hometown Heroes Act. RPD had one back in 2006 and they didn't know it qualified until I told them I confirmed it with the National Chapter of COPS. Again, Good Luck and you and everyone involved remain in my thoughts and prayers.

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I am sorry for your loss both professionally and personally. I hope the department your stepfather worked for finally gets things straightened out for your family!


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I am very sorry for your loss.  Isn't it so like government to make things so difficult during such a hard time.  Have you notified the union?(If he was a member) 

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Rest In Peace Officer McMoran.  I hope your family gets the benefits he earned and they deserve.


 

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Unfortunately this is not all that uncommon treatment of our brothers and sisters at the hands of the paper-pushers in Government. A friend of mine had a heart attack after he chased a suspect out of the police station and died. They tried to deny him all benefits saying that a heart attack was not good enough, it had to be because of injuries or wounds inflicted by a suspect! It took a year before they relented and his family was allowed to collect his LOD death benefits and even longer before they placed his badge on the memorial wall. LOD Death benefits have increased greatly and are a little easier to obtain now but there are still many areas that do not treat the families properly. In addition to the death benefits his family should be taken care of medically which is what the Police Officers Death & Disability Act is supposed to do and why we need to get it circulated around and passed on to our Congressmen and demand it be passed!

 

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That you for all the help.....finally the city came through and paid the benefits. But my mom had to get a lawyer and threaten to sue the dept to get them...and it took 6  months....


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I very sad for you loss but I am glad your mother hired an attorney and received her due benefits.

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I'm sorry about the loss of your Dad, but I am glad the Department finally did the right thing even if they were forced into it.


We have lost two Troopers this past year, and the amount of "stuff" that needs to be done to get those benefits to the family is pretty involved.  The department has to have their act together in order to make it happen.  If they haven't ever dealt with this before, there is a good chance they aren't going to get it right.  If they don't even try, then shame on them.


One of the things that can help a department be ready for something nobody wants to think about is having command staff or SOMEBODY attend free training from Concerns of Police Survivors.   I believe it is titled "Traumas in Law Enforcement" and the details can be found at http://www.nationalcops.org/serv08.htm  .  It is put on all over the country and it was really helpful to us in the fact that we learned accidentally "did it right" with our first LODD, and prepared us for the second just ten months later.  We are trying to send four of our folks to Denver and four more to Boise this spring so obviously we feel it is worth it. 


COPS1521 might have more to add, but I would encourage looking into the training.  God forbid this happens again, but having somebody out there that can throw the "BS" card early would sure help the next family out.  Even better would be departments that knew this was a line of duty death and just took care of it correctly.

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tooley135, I couldn't have said it any better. I went to the Traumas in Law Enforcement this year and even though I knew what COPS does, still found the training extremely helpful. The training is free, all you or your Department has to do is pay for the Hotel and food. I encourage every LEO to attend. I encourage LEOs and survivors to attend this training so they can have a better understanding of what occurs not only when there is a LODD, but they also talk about serious injuries and suicide and how to deal with them.


Tooley135 is also right, that if the Department has never experienced an incident, they too don't necessarily how to react as they too are grieving. Everyone needs to know what their General Orders say about LODDs, etc. If there isn't anything written (and believe it or not there still are Departments who don't have GO's) your local COPS Chapter or National can help your Department develop GO's. It's better to know now, than when something happens. The other thing I will say to the Command Staff of the LE Agencies is to ensure that the GOs are enforced when an incident happens. So many times I see the GOs not enforced because lower command staff doesn't want to "give up their manpower" and no one notifies the higher command staff or a command staff person who will fight to ensure they are met. Fortunately, I have a good repoir with most of the areas PDs command staffs and I have no problem advocating to ensure the GOs are followed.

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One other thing, like I said in my previous post, contact COPS. Your family may qualify for benefits from the DOJ PSOB fund. Your Chapter or National can help with that. They also have support groups and many other programs that may be benficial to your family and your Father's co workers who may be struggling with his loss.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your fathers death :(


That just isn't right to happen after all the time he served and to your mom as well.


My husband worked for a department for 4 yrs. and at the time of my sons death my husband had worked there for 2 yrs. When he was hired part of the verbal conversation was that he had 10,000 life insurance, my son and I were 5,000 each and so when our son died we called in for these benefits we had none.


I mentioned it to another officer and he had been told the same thing, so I don't know bull crap to begin with at the time of hire or City Council greed.


If we had known that we had no life insurance we would have purchased some, even when you can't imagine needing it for your child.


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Slowly but surely, the department and old friends forget about you ....


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Sadly that is all to true but your father will remain in your thoughts daily and you can keep them alive by living the life he wanted for you and your family. honor his memory by being as great an Officer you can be and keep your head high. I am sure your father is very proud of you and is looking down at you and smiling. Be strong keep the faith and his memory alive. Stay safe.


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yes he is, I feel him there daily...he was a big part of my life..after I became an officer..it seemed like we talked more and he was into our stories...he gave me alot of insight..


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So far up to date..mom has finally got the pension stuff but still hasnt recieved the federal stuff or worksman comp stuff yet


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UPDATE:  we went to court finally ...in dec 09...no less...but sounds like we might win the case, and get alittle money...cant believe the city would do this to an officer after 38 yrs of service


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Update as of 9-1-10...


THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS DENIED US A 2ND TIME, STATING BECAUSE OF WHAT THE DOCTOR HAD WROTE AND THEN CHANGED HIS TESTIMONY, THEY ARE NOT CLASSIFYING MY MOM AS A SURVIVOR. SH IS SO DEPRESSED THAT THE GOVERNORMENT IS TREATING A SPOUSE LIKE THIS. SHE WANTS ANYONE ON HERE THAT HAS HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO CONTACT US. EITHER BY (PL) OR BY PHN.


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And a part of America died.................he worked so long as an Officer and it is just plain criminal for them to deny anything to a man who gave all.......I am sorry for your loss and extend my families deepest sympathy to you and your family.  Hopefully, someone will see the light and give the man his just dues.

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read this apparently doj hasnt paid a single claim yet despite the law


 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17704748/

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thank u both...im grateful


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Rest In Peace Officer McMoran


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read this apparently doj hasnt paid a single claim yet despite the law


 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17704748/



rickm, this is no longer true. I know several survivors who have received the benefit. In fact I am a co worker of one such LEO (RPD Officer Tom Clark EOW:1/17/06). Shadow_officer is correct that it depends on how the Medical Examiner writes it up as well as the Agency needs to show that there was some type of exertion while the LEO was on duty within the 24 hr period. If it isn't written right then it gets denied. Being a Board member of a local C.O.P.S. Chapter, I have been to trainings regarding the DOJ PSOB requirements (because the Chapters have representatives that can assist with the filing) and have especially paid close attention to the Hometown Heores Act because of Tom.  Shadow_officer, please reach out to your local C.O.P.S. Chapter if you haven't already. At the evry least they can give you some emotional support, but may also know how to assist with an appeal. The biggest problem however may be the fact the ME changed their finding, which may mean there is nothing can be done as far as PSOB. I am truly sorry for what you are going through.

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