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I'm looking for a good way to set up my belt, and my department doesn't have a preset configuration. all i have is gloves, spray, and cuffs; eventually a gun. How do ya'll do it?

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Spray on front (strong side), cuffs on weak side back of belt, gloves on strong side back of belt.  Make sure cuffs are not in the center of your back but off to the weak side in case you fall.  Once you are allowed to carry, obviously the gun goes on strong side, radio on weak side and mag pouch on weak side fron of belt.  Until then, you can get a double mag pouch and use it to carry Snickers bars in case you get hungry, they fit in there nicely.....LOL


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Spray on front (strong side), cuffs on weak side back of belt, gloves on strong side back of belt.  Make sure cuffs are not in the center of your back but off to the weak side in case you fall.  Once you are allowed to carry, obviously the gun goes on strong side, radio on weak side and mag pouch on weak side fron of belt.  Until then, you can get a double mag pouch and use it to carry Snickers bars in case you get hungry, they fit in there nicely.....LOL



Since 01, from security to law enforcment, I'v always carried my mag pouch vertical on the weak side nearest to the buckle. Then spray, and gun. I also carry with dual cuff cases on my back adjacent to spine. Taser on weak side(cross draw) nearest to buckle, baton(rotating) radio and streamlight case.


Pick a place....train with it like your life depends on it.....because it does even if your in security. Also don't change it unless you have practiced drawing, using those items in the new place. Practice drawing even your flashlight...you don't want to change that around and then drop it. It may give someone a weapon while your fighting on the ground.


Good luck!


Farva


Any comments/ideas on weak side mag carrier placement.

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awesome thanks. got it set up now.

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Any comments/ideas on weak side mag carrier placement.



Yeah I already said that.....LOL.   Your mag pouch should always be on the front of belt on the weak side.  While some guys carry them horizontally that is a bad idea.  While it is nice that  it is low profile that way and not poking into your vest or getting caught on the seatbelt it should be carried vertically (up and down) like Farva and I said.  The main reason is when shooting prone you now have to fight to get youor mag out and up to tactically reload.  That is fine if you want to fiddle around at the range but if you get in a real life shootout you don't want to be flopping like a fish outta water to get your mag out to reload.  Beside the fact that carrying it horizontally is a more fluid motion up to your gun to reload.  Your gun should still be on target, let the old mag drop while the new one comes up with your weak hand, straight up and right in, not sideways toward your belly then up then OH SHIT, you have to turn the mag around because it comes up backwards because you are carrying it horizontal instead of vertical.  The less you have to do and remember under stress the better.  And like I said earlier, until you get on, they make great Snicker pouches :-)


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I carry my mags in a double snap case on my strong side..I'll try to explain it as best as possible....I am right handed, so I pull the mags with my left hand as I drop the empty mag.  They are a horizontal carry.   I have trained with them enough that I when I pull them out, they are coming up the right way.  I have tried different configs and that is what works best for me.  Also, agree completely with the cuff case in the small of your back comments....very bad idea....I carry two sets of cuffs.  One in an open face case on my weak side front and second in a regular case most of the way back on the left side.  I have found the front case the easiest to get open whether in a struggle or not.  Radio also needs to go on weak side.  Good Luck!


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chimp0082 says ...



Farva705LiterCola says ...



Any comments/ideas on weak side mag carrier placement.



Yeah I already said that.....LOL.   Your mag pouch should always be on the front of belt on the weak side.  While some guys carry them horizontally that is a bad idea.  While it is nice that  it is low profile that way and not poking into your vest or getting caught on the seatbelt it should be carried vertically (up and down) like Farva and I said.  The main reason is when shooting prone you now have to fight to get youor mag out and up to tactically reload.  That is fine if you want to fiddle around at the range but if you get in a real life shootout you don't want to be flopping like a fish outta water to get your mag out to reload.  Beside the fact that carrying it horizontally is a more fluid motion up to your gun to reload.  Your gun should still be on target, let the old mag drop while the new one comes up with your weak hand, straight up and right in, not sideways toward your belly then up then OH SHIT, you have to turn the mag around because it comes up backwards because you are carrying it horizontal instead of vertical.  The less you have to do and remember under stress the better.  And like I said earlier, until you get on, they make great Snicker pouches :-)


HOLY SHIT, ME AND FARVA AGREED ON SOMETHING AGAIN.....WAITRESS HOW MUCH VODKA IS IN MY DRINK!!!!!



hold the phone chimp, I meant to say horizontal. LOL I carry mine horizontal because there is a much more easier transition from drawing your mag to your handgun, at least for me. Eitherway, carry your extra mags with the bullet's facing down if you choose this.


Just practice whatever you decide with an EMPTY gun/mag, or better yet....buy training dummy rounds. These little things are great! Esp for gun clearing drills.


I guess there was enough vodka! :)

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Just practice whatever you decide with an EMPTY gun/mag, or better yet....buy training dummy rounds. These little things are great! Esp for gun clearing drills.


I guess there was enough vodka! :)



Nice.......LOL. 


Megyst-  Although we carry our mags differently, the main point here for you to learn from us is when you get on and do carry a firearm and magazines, practice whatever you feel works best for you.  Practice, Practice and more Practice, someday it may SAVE YOUR LIFE OR SOMEONE ELSES!!!   Good luck to you and Stay Safe. 


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chimp0082 says ...



Farva705LiterCola says ...



Just practice whatever you decide with an EMPTY gun/mag, or better yet....buy training dummy rounds. These little things are great! Esp for gun clearing drills.


I guess there was enough vodka! :)



Nice.......LOL. 


Megyst-  Although we carry our mags differently, the main point here for you to learn from us is when you get on and do carry a firearm and magazines, practice whatever you feel works best for you.  Practice, Practice and more Practice, someday it may SAVE YOUR LIFE OR SOMEONE ELSES!!!   Good luck to you and Stay Safe. 


Hey Farva buy me another round!!!



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A duty belt must be convenient.  I carry everything under a t-shirt or a cover shirt on my regular belt.  Pistol and badge on right hip, cuffs in small of back, mags and SF on left hip.

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On my belt from (belt buckle) Strong Side:  Cuffs, keys, holster.  // Support Side: Mags, Baton, Taser (when available), OC, Flashlight, Radio

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From right to left I carry cuffs, spray, gun, cuffs, gloves, flashlight, radio, taser, mags.


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From buckle going around my right side to my back:


Double magazine holder (horizontal)

Keeper

Holster

Keeper

Baton Holder

Handcuff Holder (Single)

Keeper


(from my back going forward around my left side)


Keeper

Handcuff Holder (Single)

Flashlight Holder (for Stinger XT)

Radio Holder

Pepper Spray (soon to be replaced by Taser)

Keeper (with key holder)

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I carry my mags in a double snap case on my strong side..I'll try to explain it as best as possible....I am right handed, so I pull the mags with my left hand as I drop the empty mag.  They are a horizontal carry.   I have trained with them enough that I when I pull them out, they are coming up the right way.  I have tried different configs and that is what works best for me.  Also, agree completely with the cuff case in the small of your back comments....very bad idea....I carry two sets of cuffs.  One in an open face case on my weak side front and second in a regular case most of the way back on the left side.  I have found the front case the easiest to get open whether in a struggle or not.  Radio also needs to go on weak side.  Good Luck!



I agree, but, someone else said something about carrying your spray strong side.   I strongly disagree with that.  When you DO get your gun, you will not want to give up your gun hand.  I suggest that you carry the spray support side, that way if you have to escalate to your firearm, you aren't bobbling a spray can trying to get to the gun.


On the debate about vertical =vs= horizontal magazine carry, I have a family friend who worked mounted in Detroit (when they still had mounted) that get thrown off his horse and his vertical GLOCK magazines fractured his pelvic bone.  So much for vertical carry.


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Going clockwise, I have my duty pistol on my strong side, behind that my double cuff pouch. Glove pouch in the center of my back, then spray on my week side, followed by my flashlight, then asp, and last taser. I told my chief I need to gain some weight so I can have a little room on my belt, it's getting a little crowded.

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From buckle going around my right side and back to front:


Double magazine pouch (horizontal), belt keeper, holster, belt keeper, baton holder, cuff holder (single), belt keeper, latex glove pouch, belt keeper, cuff holder, belt keeper, radio holder, stinger LED holder, belt keeper, pepper spray holder, cell phone.

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i agree with michigan. my mags are horizontal on my strong side. its a short distance and it works for me. i've trained with them that way and its just second nature now.

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From buckle to right: Mic for camera, double cuff case, keeper, holster, keeper, expandable baton, keys, keeper, glove pouch, keeper, oc spray, radio, taser, keeper, mag pouch (vertical), flashlight

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I'M LEFT HANDED SO IT MAY BE BACKWARDS TO SOME OF YOUR right handers


I only use my gun side hand for my gun and cuff keys. I keep all my force options/ tool primarily available to my weak side hand. I keep my OC on my gun side simply because that's where there's room. So for OC I have to do a reach across. My mag pouch allows me to pull the mags out horizontally, tip them vertical and they go straight up to reload. Cuffs are easily accessible for both hands, but like I said, primarily for my weak side hand (I've been experimenting with my cuffs in the front and in the back). Baton is definitely stronger and a quicker draw for my left hand, but again, accessible for both since it's at the front of my hip. Radio is at about the side of my hip (which makes me a bit wide to sit in desk chairs). My flashlight is a small reach back for my weak side hand. Since it never gets used, I keep my dept. required PAM/ CPR mask and medical gloves in the back on a carabineer.



Here's my logic... If I use all my less/non lethal tools in my weak hand, my strong side hand is always available to transition to my gun. If my gun is already drawn, I can use my radio, pull out my cuffs, change magazines, get my flashlight. The only other thing that my gun side hand is responsible for is my cuff keys, but when would I ever have my gun drawn and need to reach for my cuff keys (double-locking isn't that important)


what do you all think?

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I am right handed. Starting from your gigline moving clockwise,


Keeper, weapon, keeper, asp, cuff, double keeper, cuff, radio, keeper, then I move my duty belt loop (buckless velcro system) to the fron of my gigline and move my oc over the end of my belt. That way if someone acually tryed to pull my belt off they have to move my of, then more the belt loop over.

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I'M LEFT HANDED SO IT MAY BE BACKWARDS TO SOME OF YOUR right handers


I only use my gun side hand for my gun and cuff keys. I keep all my force options/ tool primarily available to my weak side hand. I keep my OC on my gun side simply because that's where there's room. So for OC I have to do a reach across. My mag pouch allows me to pull the mags out horizontally, tip them vertical and they go straight up to reload. Cuffs are easily accessible for both hands, but like I said, primarily for my weak side hand (I've been experimenting with my cuffs in the front and in the back). Baton is definitely stronger and a quicker draw for my left hand, but again, accessible for both since it's at the front of my hip. Radio is at about the side of my hip (which makes me a bit wide to sit in desk chairs). My flashlight is a small reach back for my weak side hand. Since it never gets used, I keep my dept. required PAM/ CPR mask and medical gloves in the back on a carabineer.



Here's my logic... If I use all my less/non lethal tools in my weak hand, my strong side hand is always available to transition to my gun. If my gun is already drawn, I can use my radio, pull out my cuffs, change magazines, get my flashlight. The only other thing that my gun side hand is responsible for is my cuff keys, but when would I ever have my gun drawn and need to reach for my cuff keys (double-locking isn't that important)


what do you all think?



Why don't you put  the spray between your ASP and cuffs...that way it's on you off side and you don't have to reach accross.


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i need to get fatter so i can fit things better............ dress pant size: 34

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My current agency is pretty rigid and requires all duty belts to be set up the same.  I was forced upon transferring here to move my double magazine pouch from a vertical position on my weak side to a horizontal position on my strong side.  Since I had 17 years with my last department I of course was resistant to the change, especially on something so personal as duty belt setup.  I have since "re-trained" myself and now have become accustomed to the new setup.  I guess it's true, you can teach an old dog new tricks...

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On my strong side; mag holder vertical, keeper, duty weapon, baton, cuff case, keeper


Weak side; cuff case, keeper,  oc spray, stinger light, radio, keeper, and  mid of back a small case used for latex gloves and extra cuff key


I like to place my strong arm down beside me and feel both my baton and duty weapon at the same time.  I can fight through a spray of oc in the face, but not sure if I can fight through a baton strike to the face, so I like to keep the baton and weapon on the same side.  As for the handcuffs, I can access either pair with either hand.  If my strong hand is holding a mope, I can get to either pair with the weak hand depending on the situation.  I have only been in LE for seven yrs and that is the best set up for me at this time.  Not sure what will change when we get tasers this year, but more than likely, the taser will be opposite of my duty weapon.  Cross that bridge when I get there..lol


 


 

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i need to get fatter so i can fit things better............ dress pant size: 34


 


All that does is make the pants harder to keep up where THEY belong.  Trust me, I'm horizontally challenged.



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Mags sideways on the left front, asp behind, keys left rear, cuffs right rear, gat on the right high-ride, OC front right, and Personal Radiation detector front front right.


Anyone heard of a back support or some device that would go between the pants and the body to prevent the keepers and items on the back of the duty belt from pressing into the cyatic nerves?


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Officer's don't have a "Weak Side" !


 


Don't put anything in the center of your back its just something else to dig into your spine.  Also carry 2 sets of cuffs. 


From Right to left:


Cuffs, Weapon, Cuffs, Rubber Glove Case, Maglight Holder, Radio, Asp, Pepper Gas, Flashlight, Magazines


 


Once you set up your gear leave it there so you can build muscle memory.  Magazines in and out the same way.  Put your cuffs in the same way they come out everytime so they drop right into cuffing position when you draw them.

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Please take into account your particular body; a small waist does not leave a lot of real estate to place equipment.
I am not fond of having anything on the center of the back, but I have found that two cuff cases separated by a couple of keepers are an acceptable comprise.
If you intend to carry your baton on your strong side rear make sure it is spaced to not interfere with your firearm draw, I carry mine strong side front, and you will know it is there every time you sit down but it is assessable when needed.
And as CHIMP0082 said, practice, practice, practice… your mind will be plenty occupied during a fight. Getting whatever piece of equipment you need into action must be ac act that can be done as second nature and without awkwardness.

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From buckle going around my right side and back to front:


Double magazine pouch (horizontal), belt keeper, holster, belt keeper, baton holder, cuff holder (single), belt keeper, latex glove pouch, belt keeper, cuff holder, belt keeper, radio holder, stinger LED holder, belt keeper, pepper spray holder, cell phone.



Same here, minus the cell phone. Many around us carry gear this same way. I've had stuff set up other ways, and found for me, this works better. Find one way and stick with it.


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I wouldn't allow trainees to wear cellphones on thier belts.  If they need it that bad they can go to the car.  The last thing you need while dealing with something building clearing, suspect, etc.. is that thing to go off.  At worst it gives away your position at the least its a distraction.

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