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Criminal trespassing, Illegal entry of habitation. I'll kill someone who does this everyday of the week.



Key point is highlighted. Guy was leaving the area (supposedly) when he was shot. Protect property and assets all you want, doing that isn't legal in most circumstances. We need more info.



 ONLY IN TEXAS.


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Criminal trespassing, Illegal entry of habitation. I'll kill someone who does this everyday of the week.



Key point is highlighted. Guy was leaving the area (supposedly) when he was shot. Protect property and assets all you want, doing that isn't legal in most circumstances. We need more info.



 ONLY IN TEXAS.



I was thinking about that after I posted this, but wasn't sure so I kept my mouth shut.


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a Security guard killed by an Officer.....the security guard wasn't FEAR was it!? 


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a Security guard killed by an Officer.....the security guard wasn't FEAR was it!? 



Nope. FEAR is still being chased and touched by Richard Simmons. We probably won't hear from him for a while, heh.


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As of right now, I agree this officer has put the noose around his own neck.

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See I told you.


You can not articulate in court why you shot a man in the back as he was running away from you, and outside your home unless he was firing a gun at you or in some way placing someone elses life in danger. I am afraid this LEO will go to prison.


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Xavier was a long term associate of mine.  His death was senseless.  I would like to see you lose someone close and then post this type of crap about them.  Murder.  Death.  Punchlines?  I don't get it. 



LEO's typically use humor to deal with the stress and strain of the crap we have to deal with on a day to day basis. It's not meant to be disrespectful, it is a mechanism that helps us survive.


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Xavier was a long term associate of mine.  His death was senseless.  I would like to see you lose someone close and then post this type of crap about them.  Murder.  Death.  Punchlines?  I don't get it. 



Most of us here have lost someone close if we've been in this career for a little while. Being a student I don't know what you consider to be long term associate. If you don't like what's posted in the Locker Room then stay out.


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there is more to this story and i don't think the police officer should be behind bars. there was a case in Louisville kentucky that involved a white police officer who shot a black teenage male in the back when he was running away from the officer. the officer said he fired shots because he feared for his life. the victim did not have a weapon on him. the officer was put on paid adminstrated leave and was later found not guilty because they said the shooting was justified. So why is this officer in jail and in jeopardy of going to prison????



Your information is somewhat clouded, as a KY LEO I don't think you have your facts straight. If the cop in this thread shot an unarmed man, after the man was outside and fleeing then yes the officer must go to jail.


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Um. truly unfortunate... Where's the rest of the story? Like SEO, i am also a security officer and a student and would like to know more...

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a Security guard killed by an Officer.....the security guard wasn't FEAR was it!? 



Nope. FEAR is still being chased and touched by Richard Simmons. We probably won't hear from him for a while, heh.



Didn't you know , that what Hazmat Suits were designed for .   LMAO !


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Xavier was a long term associate of mine.  His death was senseless.  I would like to see you lose someone close and then post this type of crap about them.  Murder.  Death.  Punchlines?  I don't get it. 



Stick around for a while and you will get it.  You'll learn that this is how situations like this are dealt with.  I thelps alleviate the stress that accompanies these situations.  It is no way being deliberately disrespectful.


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If you want to know more about this story, you can go to cbs46.com or ajc.com.  It will give you more detail

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At this point your right we need more details if he shot him as he was leaving something is wrong unless he was going after his wife we need to hear more before making a call on this one


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At this point your right we need more details if he shot him as he was leaving something is wrong unless he was going after his wife we need to hear more before making a call on this one



That is a good point that was not addressed I don't think. There is the issue of the wife fleeing the residence and he may have thought she was in danger.


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there is more to this story and i don't think the police officer should be behind bars. there was a case in Louisville kentucky that involved a white police officer who shot a black teenage male in the back when he was running away from the officer. the officer said he fired shots because he feared for his life. the victim did not have a weapon on him. the officer was put on paid adminstrated leave and was later found not guilty because they said the shooting was justified. So why is this officer in jail and in jeopardy of going to prison????



Your information is somewhat clouded, as a KY LEO I don't think you have your facts straight. If the cop in this thread shot an unarmed man, after the man was outside and fleeing then yes the officer must go to jail.


 


I can think of a scenario where an intruder who was running away from the scene could still be shot and with justification.  What if as the intruder is running away from the property, he looks over his shoulder and appears to reach into his front waist band?  He could be reaching for a weapon to shoot over his shoulder with.  If the officer/victim could articulate that he felt he was possibly going to be shot and feared for his life due to the sudden motion by the intruder, he could have fired back to protect his life.  You only have a split second to react.  What if this was the scenario? 


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there is more to this story and i don't think the police officer should be behind bars. there was a case in Louisville kentucky that involved a white police officer who shot a black teenage male in the back when he was running away from the officer. the officer said he fired shots because he feared for his life. the victim did not have a weapon on him. the officer was put on paid adminstrated leave and was later found not guilty because they said the shooting was justified. So why is this officer in jail and in jeopardy of going to prison????



Your information is somewhat clouded, as a KY LEO I don't think you have your facts straight. If the cop in this thread shot an unarmed man, after the man was outside and fleeing then yes the officer must go to jail.


 


I can think of a scenario where an intruder who was running away from the scene could still be shot and with justification.  What if as the intruder is running away from the property, he looks over his shoulder and appears to reach into his front waist band?  He could be reaching for a weapon to shoot over his shoulder with.  If the officer/victim could articulate that he felt he was possibly going to be shot and feared for his life due to the sudden motion by the intruder, he could have fired back to protect his life.  You only have a split second to react.  What if this was the scenario? 




If thats the scenario he better have a gun or you're fried.


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Not necessarily.   With ability, opportunity, jeopardy, the jeopardy may be perceived and not actually exist.   I've seen justified shootings where the perp had a cell phone, wallet or other object in his hand that in the heat of the moment looked like a gun.


There's no point arguing the point here.  We don't have all the facts and will just have to wait for the trial.   We could WHAT IF this thing to death and still not get any closer to the truth.


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Somehow I get the feeling that this is going to turn out to be a domestic situation where someone was doing sombody's wife and got caught.

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Not necessarily.   With ability, opportunity, jeopardy, the jeopardy may be perceived and not actually exist.   I've seen justified shootings where the perp had a cell phone, wallet or other object in his hand that in the heat of the moment looked like a gun.


There's no point arguing the point here.  We don't have all the facts and will just have to wait for the trial.   We could WHAT IF this thing to death and still not get any closer to the truth.



I'm afraid I'd still argue her scenario though. If you can't identify a weapon and it turns out there was no weapon it's not going to be as simple as oops, I thought he had a gun. Even if it's manslaughter there will still be problems


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Not necessarily.   With ability, opportunity, jeopardy, the jeopardy may be perceived and not actually exist.   I've seen justified shootings where the perp had a cell phone, wallet or other object in his hand that in the heat of the moment looked like a gun.


There's no point arguing the point here.  We don't have all the facts and will just have to wait for the trial.   We could WHAT IF this thing to death and still not get any closer to the truth.



I'm afraid I'd still argue her scenario though. If you can't identify a weapon and it turns out there was no weapon it's not going to be as simple as oops, I thought he had a gun. Even if it's manslaughter there will still be problems



I personally know an officer that was cleared when he shot a man that had nothing in his hands.  But the video showed the man come quickly from his pocket into what appeared to be a shooting stance.  Cleared by I.A.  Cleared by Grand Jury.


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Somehow I get the feeling that this is going to turn out to be a domestic situation where someone was doing sombody's wife and got caught.



I've been thinking that very thing for a while.  did anyone check out the website mentioned in an earlier post?


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Not necessarily.   With ability, opportunity, jeopardy, the jeopardy may be perceived and not actually exist.   I've seen justified shootings where the perp had a cell phone, wallet or other object in his hand that in the heat of the moment looked like a gun.


There's no point arguing the point here.  We don't have all the facts and will just have to wait for the trial.   We could WHAT IF this thing to death and still not get any closer to the truth.



I'm afraid I'd still argue her scenario though. If you can't identify a weapon and it turns out there was no weapon it's not going to be as simple as oops, I thought he had a gun. Even if it's manslaughter there will still be problems



I personally know an officer that was cleared when he shot a man that had nothing in his hands.  But the video showed the man come quickly from his pocket into what appeared to be a shooting stance.  Cleared by I.A.  Cleared by Grand Jury.



And how did he fare in the wrongful death lawsuit?


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Hasn't been one filed that I'm aware of.


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At this point your right we need more details if he shot him as he was leaving something is wrong unless he was going after his wife we need to hear more before making a call on this one



That is a good point that was not addressed I don't think. There is the issue of the wife fleeing the residence and he may have thought she was in danger.



That would be my story! I was afraid for the life of my wife who he was apparently after and obviously deranged and dangerous. Result, not guilty!

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Not necessarily.   With ability, opportunity, jeopardy, the jeopardy may be perceived and not actually exist.   I've seen justified shootings where the perp had a cell phone, wallet or other object in his hand that in the heat of the moment looked like a gun.


There's no point arguing the point here.  We don't have all the facts and will just have to wait for the trial.   We could WHAT IF this thing to death and still not get any closer to the truth.



Right, that's along the lines of what I was thinking.  In a felony vehicle stop type situation, if the suspect suddenly deviates from your commands and makes a sudden movement, shooting is justified based on the totality of the circumstances.  Now I know this scenario sounds more like a love triangle, but the man who invaded their home already elevated the situation into something much more serious.  Did he force his way into that home to rape that woman, got startled, ran off a few feet, THEN decided to motion for his weapon?   

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In California, it's okay to shoot a fleeing felon and  he committed a felony by breaking into their home. 

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In California, it's okay to shoot a fleeing felon and  he committed a felony by breaking into their home. 



Tennessee Vs Garner     I believe the standard is "fleeing felon who has committed a forcible felony and still poses a threat to society"   A person kicking the window out of my police car is a felony but that doesn't mean I can shoot him in the back as he runs away.    Like I said, we can WHAT IF this case to death.


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True, I just hate reading that people are already convicting this leo.

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All I can say is good luck to you. We've also seen cops put in prison for it.


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