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Okay let me make this clear before people throw in their 2 cents and have absolutely no clue what the heck they are talking about...


*Any persons currently apprehended overseas are classified as DETAINED persons. Not prisoners, not captives, DETAINES. We (the United States) are not at war with any country; therefore, we have no prisoners.


Detainees do not get rights granted by the Geneva/Hague Conventions, hence their classification as a detaine.


 


Now, about the shooting scenario...since we're not at war with Iraq or Afghanistan, the Use of Force Continuum applies to all US forces and armed contractors. What does that mean? ANY persons displaying the threat of life, limb or eye-sight to another person can be neutralized with as much force necessary to diffuse the situation.


 


Also, as for the "if they don't play by the rules then why do we?" statements- are you kidding me? If you have a gold badge and just said that you should slap yourself. Do you say that about criminals? Immoral is Immoral.



One can only be regarded "a spy" if caught behind enemy lines, and out of uniform. Of  those detainees captured and imprisoned at Gitmo, none were in the uniform of a genuine military force, so they should not be covered by the Geneva Convention, anyway


As I previously stated



I agree

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Thanks for the info, and I am sure you will agree that giving our servicemembers every advantage needed to win is more important that following some arbitrary rules that are intended to keep us from offending a bunch of clerics.



Damn skippy...they should have the best equipment, best weapons, the media off their backs and they should be able to shoot any combatant inside a combat zone. Unless you have a white flag up of truce, you are the enemy and should be shot. If you have a cell-phone to your ear when a convoy is driving by you should be shot. If you have a firearm slung on your back and don't lie on the ground when you see US forces you should be shot. If you run when you see US forces you should be shot.


Our "detainees" should be interrogated until they release grid coordinates of Osama...then we should go to Pakistan and get his arse...but that's another topic.


Now, do I agree with all the policies? No...detainees are allowed to have lawyers speak on their behalf to get them released...and trust me, the liberals are all over this one.


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Thanks for the info, and I am sure you will agree that giving our servicemembers every advantage needed to win is more important that following some arbitrary rules that are intended to keep us from offending a bunch of clerics.



Damn skippy...they should have the best equipment, best weapons, the media off their backs and they should be able to shoot any combatant inside a combat zone. Unless you have a white flag up of truce, you are the enemy and should be shot. If you have a cell-phone to your ear when a convoy is driving by you should be shot. If you have a firearm slung on your back and don't lie on the ground when you see US forces you should be shot. If you run when you see US forces you should be shot.


Our "detainees" should be interrogated until they release grid coordinates of Osama...then we should go to Pakistan and get his arse...but that's another topic.


Now, do I agree with all the policies? No...detainees are allowed to have lawyers speak on their behalf to get them released...and trust me, the liberals are all over this one.



On most of this I agree but allowing TERRORISTS to have lawyers just causes  problems with the necessary interrogations. These are NOT American citizens or even citizens of our allies. They are TERRORISTS and have NO LEGAL STANDING. I have no problem with whatever the CIA or Military wants to do for interrogations on these idiots. I really don't think they deserve any better than what we did in World War 2 with the Japanese or Germans.

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I don't thnk iterrogation methods should be open to discussion.   For all those liberal dogooders who think harsh interrogation is cruel.....maybe you should stand up in front of a room full of people who lost love ones on 9/11 and explain why!

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I don't thnk iterrogation methods should be open to discussion.   For all those liberal dogooders who think harsh interrogation is cruel.....maybe you should stand up in front of a room full of people who lost love ones on 9/11 and explain why!



Or explain to Akmed the terrorist that getting your head chopped off on film is unethical...


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Is it unethical to dip 5.56 NATO rounds in Pig blood, feces or urine before loading into magazines?

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VERY harsh interrogation of terrorists is acceptable!  these idiots dont care when they are running around with bombs strapped to their ass*s and who they are killing but for some reason when they are caught someone wants to give them a damn lawyer and say they have rights.  give me a damn break!  the only right they should have is to be in front of a bullet when its fired in their direction.


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Wait until we are all nuked and melted down, then we can argue through eternity as to whether we should have used harsher methods to obtain information that may have saved our nation or perhaps should have been more cognizant of the rules as set down by the Red Cross and the UN.  Some of the so called harsh interrogation used and widely condemned is less terrifying than some college frat initiations.  i.e. forcing some poor religious zealot to have a pair of soiled panties pulled over his head.  Give me a physical break, in the Clinton White House, that was known as foreplay.


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Harsh interrogation doesn't necessarily mean beatings, physical torture, and the like.  However, sensory deprivation, waterboarding, exposure to extreem cold/hot, etc.. work quite well.  I remember the day when the brigs onboard naval vessels having prisoners stripped down to their underwear and placed on bread and water diets while being put in sweat boxes and cold boxes for the duration of their stay.  The USS Ranger had NO repeat offenders. 


While my initial urge is to beat these pieces of fecal matter through every manner of extreme torture, like skinning them and putting fire-ants on their bodies; I do believe that we as a nation need to rise above the animal instincts and not lower ourselves to the standards these ***EXPLETIVES DELETED*****


Oh, that's right, the extremists have declared "Jihad" or "Holy War" on the "Great White Satan."  Let's take the war out of miliatry hands and put it with our holy warriors.  Remember the Puritans?  They liked to burn people at the stake.  How about the Spanish Conquistadors and the Jesuits, they liked to behead and annialite entire cultures, like the Incas.  Let's turn the war over to the our churches.  They know how to handle business!!


Oops, did I start another war?


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I have no problem treating 'terrorists' 'harsh'. I also do not believe we should torture people. The defining termonology is torture and what is it? I do not think things like disrespecting the Koran or embarassing the prisoner is torture. Torture to me is exterme physical pain such as hanging someone up by their arms with their hands tied behind their back, shoving hot devices into eyes, mouth, sexual organs etc. Things like sleep depravation, fear and discomfort I have no problem with nor do I have a problem with shooting terrorists as spy's and using that ability to extract information from them, even if you shoot his sorry ass afterwards.

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What the hell is "harsh"?


Ask the families and survivors from the Towers or Pentagon about "harsh".


Ask the families of the Public Servants that were trying to evacuate people from the Towers, and died doing so!


I am sick and f**king tired of people who display this type of ignorance. Welcome to the real world. It sure as hell isn't pretty out there, and if people only knew what really happens on the streets, they would NOT leave their humble abodes. Enough said, I will step down from my soap box and let someone else comment. As you all can see, I am "old school" and damned proud of it. I think we should make glass out of the middle east and take the oil! Or give them the "neutron bomb" which kills everyone but leaves the infrastructure. Yeah I am a redneck, and rednecks come in all races, colors and creeds!

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I think it is a very neccessary evil. I'm for it and support it 100%


 


You can't sweet talk a terrorist into telling you where the WMD's are or who blew up what? You need to revert back to the basic animal instinct of pain compliance, because that's all they are is animals.


 


 


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Redneck old school again!


I believe that the only rule of engagement should be "There are no rules of engagement"


Engage!!

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There have been powers at play for centuries that aren't always pretty or PC, or easy to stomache, things go on behind the scenes that people don't even need to know about. They need to stick to their little white house and little white fence and 3.5 kids and 9-5 jobs and let the government do what it does. Don't question what they do or why they do it just be thankful that there are people out there in an ugly world keeping the big bad wolf from your doorstep. But instead people want to excercise their freedoms by questioning the method or reason in which they have it.


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There have been powers at play for centuries that aren't always pretty or PC, or easy to stomache, things go on behind the scenes that people don't even need to know about. They need to stick to their little white house and little white fence and 3.5 kids and 9-5 jobs and let the government do what it does. Don't question what they do or why they do it just be thankful that there are people out there in an ugly world keeping the big bad wolf from your doorstep. But instead people want to excercise their freedoms by questioning the method or reason in which they have it.



I positively agree 100%

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What many don't realize, we are granting the terrorists or Jihadists their wish.  They want to die at our hands so that they can become martyrs.  I think the fact they are being held in a cage for indeterminate periods of time is sufficient.  Getting information from them, even with "harsh" interrogation techniques, is what they live for.  Understand, even the president of Iran has stated that he lies frequently to those who he deems as being "infidels." 


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What many don't realize, we are granting the terrorists or Jihadists their wish.  They want to die at our hands so that they can become martyrs.  I think the fact they are being held in a cage for indeterminate periods of time is sufficient.  Getting information from them, even with "harsh" interrogation techniques, is what they live for.  Understand, even the president of Iran has stated that he lies frequently to those who he deems as being "infidels." 



The solution to that problem is, in the interrogating use lots of pork and pigs blood, by their beiefs if they are unclean it voids everything. So when you do "interrogate" them whatever tool you chose to assist you in obtaining information. Dip it in a bucket of pig fat or pigs blood. It solves two purposes the first I just stated the second is. Information may come much faster with a threat of getting "interrogated" with pigs blood.


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I believe that since terrorists use 'harsh methods' to kill the soldiers they capture, we should be able to use every means necessary to get information out of them (without killing them or maiming them, of course........)


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The Geneva Convention has been overused.  The Convention only covers 'soldiers' in 'uniforms' NOT 'screaming terrorists' in 'rags'

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The Geneva Convention has been overused.  The Convention only covers 'soldiers' in 'uniforms' NOT 'screaming terrorists' in 'rags'



The US is one of the very few members that honors the Geneva Convention


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The Geneva Convention has been overused.  The Convention only covers 'soldiers' in 'uniforms' NOT 'screaming terrorists' in 'rags'



That is my opinion as well. Harsh interoogation is NOT torture or cruelty. I wish the feds expell all those "suspected" cells within our borders. The greatest concentration is in the East coast. They are "suspect"?, kick them out of here, they are sleepers.

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Maybe if they were a little harsher we'd be getting more answers and overseas a lot less. Plus if we start playing by the rules of other countries these idiots will smarten up about messing with us. We don't have to act like Gengis Khan and go terrorizing the planet but when someone smacks us in the face like 911 hit em like hard fast and leve them laying in the dust and to hell with building them back up.


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Napalm, Napalm. Burn them with cigarettes, cut off fingers and toes. Treat them as they would treat us. I have no regard to terrorists or their supporters. Kill them all!!!!


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Who here thinks intensive interrorgation of terrorist prisoners is acceptable?



What do they do to OUR prisoners when they capture them?  Ohh wait..they cut off their heads...right....Hell yes I think harsh interrogation is acceptable.  These terrorists should have NO rights at all once captured.  Screw the treaties and agreements.  An eye for an eye.


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Who here thinks intensive interrorgation of terrorist prisoners is acceptable?



What do they do to OUR prisoners when they capture them?  Ohh wait..they cut off their heads...right....Hell yes I think harsh interrogation is acceptable.  These terrorists should have NO rights at all once captured.  Screw the treaties and agreements.  An eye for an eye.



AMEN!!! Now pass me another magazine!

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I have no problem treating 'terrorists' 'harsh'. I also do not believe we should torture people. The defining termonology is torture and what is it? I do not think things like disrespecting the Koran or embarassing the prisoner is torture. Torture to me is exterme physical pain such as hanging someone up by their arms with their hands tied behind their back, shoving hot devices into eyes, mouth, sexual organs etc. Things like sleep depravation, fear and discomfort I have no problem with nor do I have a problem with shooting terrorists as spy's and using that ability to extract information from them, even if you shoot his sorry ass afterwards.



I think you hit the nail on the head...when we start using less than moral tactics...suddenly all the stuff the terrorists do (suicide bomb, mail out anthrax, ect) doesn't sound all that unjustified. If we put wind in their sails, they will capitalize on it and the bleeding hearts will be on their side of the fight, not ours.


Male Muslims are a pridefull, masculine driven people...they cannot stand being disrespected by women or being humiliated by them. They cannot stand it when they don't have access to prayer or water to cleanse themselves with. Want some good interrogation techniques? Put them in a windowless cell (so they don't know which way to pray) and feed them food...tell them later that they ate pork (even if they didn't) and threaten that if they don't tell them what they want to know they'll shoot them on the spot and they wont see Allah. Deprive them of their sleep, use sensory psychosis and get into their heads. Heck, put speakers in the cells and pretend Allah is talking to them or that their is actual torture going on in an adjacent cell.


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I read in an article that Bin Laden stated the difference between muslims and Americans is that Americans don't want to die, and Muslims do.  I say give them their wish.


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I read in an article that Bin Laden stated the difference between muslims and Americans is that Americans don't want to die, and Muslims do.  I say give them their wish.



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The best quote I have heard on the subject is; "If hooking a terrorist up to a car battery will save one Americans life, all I can say is Red is positive, black is negative."

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The best quote I have heard on the subject is; "If hooking a terrorist up to a car battery will save one Americans life, all I can say is Red is positive, black is negative."



AMEN to that!!!

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