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I have been asked why I along with a few others here why we are so adamant about only certified LE answering in the "ask a cop" forum, I have heard all the excuses as to why and how so many other professions are "like" Law Enforcement, for those that don't know here it is as simple as I can put it,

Saying your job or profession is "like a cop" means to me, that that certificate I worked so hard for and all the hours spent as a cop is meaningless if I could have skipped all the time at the academy along with all the in service and all the court time, as well as how hard I worked to even get hired as a police officer, like most certified officers here, we hold ourselves along with the profession in very high regards and will quickly challenge anyone who would degrade it by the insulting phrase "I am like a cop".

 There also seems to be confusion on everyones part that when we say we are certified officers and different, most uncertified persons think we mean we are better, that is not what I mean at all, however if you have a job where you have to compare yourself to a cop, or demand the same respect as a cop, then you have the problem, not us!, but it might just be my opinion alone.

 


Question, how easy was it for every certified person here to become state academy certified and how easy was it to become an officer, did anyone have it made easily?

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John, if anyone things I didn't have to work my butt off to become and remain a Certified Law Enforcement Officer all they have to do is look through my dozens of certificates of course completions and Collage credits plus all the diplomas and other certificates I have been awarded doing training constantly while serving as a full time Officer. I am very proud of what I have done and what I have learned both formally and on the streets. Yes I AM a cop and I for one am damn proud of it!

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Either you are a cop or you are not a cop. It's that simple to me.

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Oh it was very easy....


15 weeks in the academy. Away from my family, eating garbage, and being treated like a two year old. 


Countless of other hours of training after the academy.  Away from the family.


Speciality training sometimes 2 weeks at a time, AWAY FROM THE FAMILY. 


Being on call. 


Having to work pass your time off because some puke that said they had a job that was just like a cop messed up. And now I have to fix the mess. 


Court on your day off. 


Missing your kids school program, because you have to go and help some idiot raise their kid. 


Dealing with pain, suffering and the lowest aspects of Human Life...Should I go on? 


The job ain't easy people.  Your job is nothing like ours.  I am not gripping,  just stating some facts.  No everyone can be a cop.  and it ain't easy to be one.  So Back off.


thanks ODIN.  good post


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deputy_dawg_16 says ...



Oh it was very easy....


15 weeks in the academy. Away from my family, eating garbage, and being treated like a two year old. 


Countless of other hours of training after the academy.  Away from the family.


Speciality training sometimes 2 weeks at a time, AWAY FROM THE FAMILY. 


Being on call. 


Having to work pass your time off because some puke that said they had a job that was just like a cop messed up. And now I have to fix the mess. 


Court on your day off. 


Missing your kids school program, because you have to go and help some idiot raise their kid. 


Dealing with pain, suffering and the lowest aspects of Human Life...Should I go on? 


The job ain't easy people.  Your job is nothing like ours.  I am not gripping,  just stating some facts.  No everyone can be a cop.  and it ain't easy to be one.  So Back off.


thanks ODIN.  good post



It's tough leaving it behind too!

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ODIN says ...

 Question, how easy was it for every certified person here to become state academy certified and how easy was it to become an officer, did anyone have it made easily?


I just asked and they handed me a badge and a gun.


No, I actually just counted a list of 64 classes that I have taken since going to the academy. That is not an all-inclusive list (only ones with a certificate awarded). That does not include the quarterly mandatory in-service training. Our department requires a minimum of 60 hours college credit just to accept an application. Of course, then there is the academy.....

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Hard work to get here...hard work to stay! The time I spend away from my family and the amount of time they worry about me!


Bump to that.


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 Kudos to ODIN for this one


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Lets see where to start:


I was preservice not sponsored by a department. So on to that testing 1 of 285 accepted for the test. 1 of 80 that pasted the 4 written test and the physical fitness test (harder than the actual academy test). #7 of 27 accepted to the academy (didn't have my college transcripts available)


560 hours of academy not to include the 4-5 hours of "homework "each day, 7 days a week, I was 42 years old then.


We had a failure rate of 25% IN MY ACADEMY CLASS .Every one that failed was under the age of 27 and they failed because they could not pass the physical fitness portion of the Academy.


Then the application process to different depts.


Hired and just like everyone else 40 hours of P.O.S.T. training at a min.First Responder recert every 2 years. I had over 850 hours of  P.O.S.T.  training in 11 years.


12 hour shifts, court on days off, meetings with attorneys on off time, weeks of working drugs and away from home. On call time. Called out on off time as investigator. Called out on off time as Supervisor.


Saw horrors that I didn't see in 21 + years in the Marine Corps. Things that would have made the Pope cuss.


Dead bodies, some without heads, some that had been deceased in a heated home for days, kids (kids that I knew).


Was sued three times (won all 3) . Had complaints filed by uneducated idiots. (all found to be unfounded)


Hell I could have stayed in the Marine Corps and it would have been easier.


Yeah anyone can do this job. You know ride a round in a fancy  car with pretty lights, drink coffee and eat doughnuts. RIGHT!!!


 


Want my job you picked a good time to start , you have the next 3 days off!!

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I couldn't have said it better!!!! Being a LEO is somewhat like being pregnant...you either are or you aren't, there is no in-between.


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All I can add is I know where you can get application.


 If it was easy to become a cop there would be no firefighters....


It seems I have spent half of my career in one class or another just to keep my job....


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bad_LT says ...



All I can add is I know where you can get application.


 If it was easy to become a cop there would be no firefighters....


It seems I have spent half of my career in one class or another just to keep my job....



And of course the physical toll! Two cases of smoke inhalation with damage to my lungs, two concussions, one torn rotator cuff and one stab wound from an ice pick. And that was just on line at Dunkin Donuts!

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It has also been said that because someone is related to a cop or have had cops in there family, and was raised by cops they know what it's like are probably full of it, if they were really around police they would know that being familiar to or related to a police officer is not the same either.  My wife has been around it as long as I have been in it and she would say she only gets the highlights, that hearing about the life is not the same as living the life.


Thanks for the replies guys and gals.

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Great thread Odin.

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Good Posts!


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In my opinion the "like a cop" guys spend an average of 2 weeks to get their "certification" TWO FRIGG'N WEEKS!!!


I wasn't hired by a dept. and paid to go through the academy...that $$$ came out of my pocket.  Then add the cost of driving 60 miles each way monday through friday, and somtimes on saturday's for those of us that wanted what extra certifications we could get during the academy, OH THAT WAS ONLY FOR 17 WEEKS!!!  The time spent without sleep cause you still have to make money to pay for everything.  Then when it's all said and done you still have to find a job.  Then add the incalculable cost of all the fecal matter you get to deal with for what pay we get.  All the time spent away from family due to schools and extra jobs.  The fact that you can't just turn a civilians blind eye when you're out with your family and friends and some dumb a$$ decides to do something illegally stupid in front of you.  The relationships damaged and/or destroyed by the stressors involved in the job....should I keep going???  SHOULD I???


Don't even tell me your "like a cop" till you completely understand what we're talking about!!!


GREAT POST ODIN


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wow i understand that security people work along with law enforcement but im am sorry i do hold a certification in security for the state of oklahoma but i am also a federal law enforcement officer and have been for many years.. and like it has been said so many times i didnt spend 10 weeks at 10 hours a day 6 days a week and earn the right to become a LEO for someone to say im like a cop.. there is no camparison to someone who gets a short condensed one week class on how to use a gun and learn that he actualy has no authority to arrest someone other than that of a civilian off the street.. but maily that it the big difrence i actualy have the authority to put someone in jail write citations enforce the constitution, sate and city laws, and in my case UCMJ and Federal coads as well there is no comarison. with the stroke of a pen i can take someones freedom away. and for those who are like a cop can you or do you have the legal authority to do that no. there might be some simularities in your job to ours but it is defanatly not the same so please stop stating that you are just like a cop. because you are not, you have not been throught the proper training and well im just going to say it YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY other than that of a civilian.....


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oh just a quick joke about fire fighters...... you know why god made cops???..............................so firefighter would have heros... lol


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Rated +1 | Posted over 6 years ago

 

As a friend of mine likes to say "We're the cops; you're not"...


If you didn't go through that long painful background process, the academy, with it's 0530 call to order, the 6 mile runs, the strict code of conduct and the hours of study, and then, bust your butt during field training and sweat bullets to make it through probation...then nope, your job is not like a "cops".   If you didn't work the holidays and sit in court after a midnight shift, stand in the cold and rain directing traffic, knock on someone's door to tell them that their loved one will never return home, then, no, your job is not like a cops. 


You is, or you ain't!


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  This shows up in a lot of places.  While I was being interviewed for my current grad school admission, one of the professors said:  "My father was in the Air Force, so I know what it's like to be in the military."  I stared at her for a second and replied:  "Well, I've been married for 24 years so I guess I know what it's like to be a woman." She opened her mouth and shut it without making a sound and had no more questions for me.

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......a few years back while recieving a gratuity at the mickey d's on my beat a citizen made a snide remark about being a cop and it' not all that . you wouldn't believe the comments made about a damn free meal........ i put a ten on the counter and told the cashier the citizens meal was on me then i turned and told him .........every morning i go to work knowing i would die for you for you , can you say you do the same . the citizen only comment was damn i was just kidding and as i walked away , i said ...........yea , but i'm not.............


..there is nothing like being a cop.. 


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There is no job that is "like a cop".  15 weeks of training.  More than 800 hours of certification, some of it pretty mind numbingly boring, but things we have to know to perform our job.  Not to mention the testing with departments, backround checks, oral boards, bpads, etc..  And let's not forget what we have to deal with on the streets.  A lot of people think we only write tickets, that we have nothing better to do.  On a daily basis, we deal with that segment of society that most people avoid at all costs.  And those traffic stops is where we make the majority of our arrests, which means that those traffic stops can be the most dangerous times.

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  This shows up in a lot of places.  While I was being interviewed for my current grad school admission, one of the professors said:  "My father was in the Air Force, so I know what it's like to be in the military."  I stared at her for a second and replied:  "Well, I've been married for 24 years so I guess I know what it's like to be a woman." She opened her mouth and shut it without making a sound and had no more questions for me.



I love it....now that is funny....But seriously I agree 100%...deputy_dawg_16 sums it up pretty well!

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It takes a lot to become a cop, you have to keep your game up your entire time on the JOB!  When you leave the Academy, you are the proud owner of enough knowledge to meet the minimum qualifications to be an Officer, you have to earn your title everyday.  I spent 30 years in law enforcement, I tried to learn something new everyday and you can do just that.  I learned from Officers who had more time in than me and Officers who had less time, you never know who you can learn from, that includes skells.  If you think you know it al, it is time to quit, you can never stop the learning process.


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Being an officer is something that runs through our blood...24/7 365 not when it's convenient.  It seems when people say they are like "cops" it's usually when they're talking to a real police officer and want to feel like one of us.  I'm sure if they really knew what we went through day in and day out they wouldn't do it.  We are a special breed that I am proud to be a part of .  


The academy was hell for me because I had to work 40 plus hours on top of going to the academy.  I had two small children at the time which also added to the stress.  Like everyone else has said....the long hours, the dui's two minutes before the shift is up, court on your days off or after a graveyard shift that ends up getting dismissed five hours after you've been sitting there, inturrupted holidays, birthdays, kids events the list goes on, but we do it because we love it.  I'm proud to be standing next to all of you that wear a real law enforcement badge. 

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When you have a demanding job, and attend the academy after hours and weekends is not a piece of cake. after graduation, and hired, various in house training sessions, LE related semester classes, etc, etc.....not easy. But worth the effort.

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oh just a quick joke about fire fighters...... you know why god made cops???..............................so firefighter would have heros... lol



I was going to be a fire fighter, but I was disqualified because I knew who both of my parents were.

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My old man always said I should have been a firefighter....everyone's always happy to see you, you eat good food, women love you, you can sleep at work, and half your time consists of working out!!  What was I thinking......


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1. Four and a half years working in the jail and then finally getting selected to go to the police academy.


2. Ten weeks of pure hell in the academy.  Eleven test to pass, all of which required studying for an entire weekend. 


3. Three months of feild training to become familiar with policing in my area. 


4. Two and a half years to get to attend FTO training.


5. Seven and a half years worth of listening to BS and still wanting to be in law enforcement.

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bump, great article odin


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