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Military installations are loaded with cops who are underexperienced (less than 1 year when hired), or non-veterans (hired by their friends), or over age (over 45 when hired), or retired, or even 100% disabled when hired (can they successfully conduct a foot chase?). We DO need to take care of our veterans, but not at the cost of having an extremely senior law enforcement police force guarding our military installations. There needs to be an action plan to fix such a backwards issue with this staffing problem. Many of these individuals have no business in such a demanding profession. They get these jobs with their veterans preference, but would not be able to survive in a municipal department. How does our government cope with this?

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Well, I guess the powers that be think it's better to have some warm bodies covering these positions so that the Military Police can conduct their wartime missions. I'm not saying I agree with this but it is what it is.

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Military installations are loaded with cops who are underexperienced (less than 1 year when hired), or non-veterans (hired by their friends), or over age (over 45 when hired), or retired, or even 100% disabled when hired (can they successfully conduct a foot chase?). We DO need to take care of our veterans, but not at the cost of having an extremely senior law enforcement police force guarding our military installations. There needs to be an action plan to fix such a backwards issue with this staffing problem. Many of these individuals have no business in such a demanding profession. They get these jobs with their veterans preference, but would not be able to survive in a municipal department. How does our government cope with this?



Well you are preaching to the choir here. I agree! I spent the last few months working in operations of an active duty air force squadron and watched the hiring process of these guys. I will not mention the company they used, but it sounds (and acts) a lot like U.S. Neglect. Some of the guys they hired ahd just gotten of active duty as military police and were in great shape and knew the job...they could slide right in. But the never lasted, just used this as a stepping stone to a real LE job.


Then there were those that looked like they retired in 1958 and spent the next 40 years eating and watching TV.


How about having some ability to retain information, such as the ability to articulate the use of force. These guys could not even explain why they raised their voice to some Colonel's kid.


I think the problem is compounded because the military is going to more and more civilians in all positions. Its false economy, because the DOD is not paying these guys its like they are free. The military has grown to depend on these positions to guard our posts and bases around the world. When the funding is cut, thats when the problems will really begin.

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My unofficial take on this is that national standardization would be a good thing, with candidates for DA Police jobs attending an academy at Fort Leonard Wood, home of the Military Police Corps Regiment, or somewhere similar.  That way, the MPs moving from installation to installation, or in and out of the war zone, at least have a common frame of reference with these guys who are holding down our peacetime mission until we get back.

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I'm not too familiar with DA Police, but don't they attend a centralized police academy? I could be mistaken, but I have been under the impression that they have to complete FLETC before they can operate as a police officer on a federal installation.


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Well the old saying you get what you pay for seems to work in this scenario. I firmly believe there should be a standard set by the U.S. Gov't  for these positions. An Academy of some sort, a physical requirement and a physic exam/medial exam. Age should no be a restriction as long as one can pass meet or exceed the requirements. I also feel that an annual physical fitness test and medical exam be administered. It should fall under a Provost Marshall for all final decisions, work related. A liaison needs to be established with the Provost Marshall's Office as well. Pay should be comparable  with that of local LE agencies in relateion to base loaction.

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I put in for Dept of Army & Dept of Navy Police jobs last year and had no luck on any of them. Oh well.....

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I'm not too familiar with DA Police, but don't they attend a centralized police academy? I could be mistaken, but I have been under the impression that they have to complete FLETC before they can operate as a police officer on a federal installation.



ok we do have to attend an academy and it is put on by the military there are two one at ft lenadrwood and one at white sands NM, but what my friend is saying is for example say you and a dacp are working together and the dacp can pass the agility test wich is not hard at all 1 1/2 mile in 17:30, 13" vertical jump, and i think its somewhere between 19 and 21 pushups. not hard at all. but this dacp is extreamly overweight and is in his late 50's but because he is a disabled vet he has prefrance and gets hired. ok but you guys are working and for some reason you get into a foot chase and your partner falls % disabled or more stupid. i think that anyone who wants a job in the police field needs to have to be under 45 and should have some sort of security/law enforcement experiance


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I'm not too familiar with DA Police, but don't they attend a centralized police academy? I could be mistaken, but I have been under the impression that they have to complete FLETC before they can operate as a police officer on a federal installation.



ok we do have to attend an academy and it is put on by the military there are two one at ft lenadrwood and one at white sands NM, but what my friend is saying is for example say you and a dacp are working together and the dacp can pass the agility test wich is not hard at all 1 1/2 mile in 17:30, 13" vertical jump, and i think its somewhere between 19 and 21 pushups. not hard at all. but this dacp is extreamly overweight and is in his late 50's but because he is a disabled vet he has prefrance and gets hired. ok but you guys are working and for some reason you get into a foot chase and your partner falls % disabled or more stupid. i think that anyone who wants a job in the police field needs to have to be under 45 and should have some sort of security/law enforcement experiance


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I agree, in principle with what you have to say, but there are exceptions. I am almost 58, been in LE for over 30 years and can still run the 1 1/2 mile in less than 15. I ride a bike every day, do push-ups, situps, and even smoke! True the industry needs standards and they usually "weed out" the unfit by requiring , at least, a refresher which includes PT, if not a full academy. I had to go to an ADOC academy after I retired from the local SO and got into Corrections. I was running faster than people half my f**king age. I was 52 at the time!


With so few people getting into this racket Depts have been forced to lower their standards. Hell, when I started you could NOT have ever in your life even tried pot. Now it is accepted, and that is horseshit. That is an indicator of, what I feel, a blatant disregard for the law, authority, and the lack of good judgement!


Oh well, as the world turns!

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rsteade says ...



I'm not too familiar with DA Police, but don't they attend a centralized police academy? I could be mistaken, but I have been under the impression that they have to complete FLETC before they can operate as a police officer on a federal installation.



ok we do have to attend an academy and it is put on by the military there are two one at ft lenadrwood and one at white sands NM, but what my friend is saying is for example say you and a dacp are working together and the dacp can pass the agility test wich is not hard at all 1 1/2 mile in 17:30, 13" vertical jump, and i think its somewhere between 19 and 21 pushups. not hard at all. but this dacp is extreamly overweight and is in his late 50's but because he is a disabled vet he has prefrance and gets hired. ok but you guys are working and for some reason you get into a foot chase and your partner falls % disabled or more stupid. i think that anyone who wants a job in the police field needs to have to be under 45 and should have some sort of security/law enforcement experiance



Where in FLW do they hold the DA Police Academy? The reason that I ask is out of idle curiosity...I spent 2005-2006 stationed at FLW as an MP School Instructor with the 14th MP Bde and never knew that the DA Academy was located there.


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rsteade says ...



milcop2401 says ...



rsteade says ...



I'm not too familiar with DA Police, but don't they attend a centralized police academy? I could be mistaken, but I have been under the impression that they have to complete FLETC before they can operate as a police officer on a federal installation.



ok we do have to attend an academy and it is put on by the military there are two one at ft lenadrwood and one at white sands NM, but what my friend is saying is for example say you and a dacp are working together and the dacp can pass the agility test wich is not hard at all 1 1/2 mile in 17:30, 13" vertical jump, and i think its somewhere between 19 and 21 pushups. not hard at all. but this dacp is extreamly overweight and is in his late 50's but because he is a disabled vet he has prefrance and gets hired. ok but you guys are working and for some reason you get into a foot chase and your partner falls % disabled or more stupid. i think that anyone who wants a job in the police field needs to have to be under 45 and should have some sort of security/law enforcement experiance



Where in FLW do they hold the DA Police Academy? The reason that I ask is out of idle curiosity...I spent 2005-2006 stationed at FLW as an MP School Instructor with the 14th MP Bde and never knew that the DA Academy was located there.



the academy had just started last year was the first one i believe that it was in july or aug when i started. when i became a dacp in 07 they had only just began the new standards and the only academy was at white sands but then they opened FLW..


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Sir:


I agree, in principle with what you have to say, but there are exceptions. I am almost 58, been in LE for over 30 years and can still run the 1 1/2 mile in less than 15. I ride a bike every day, do push-ups, situps, and even smoke! True the industry needs standards and they usually "weed out" the unfit by requiring , at least, a refresher which includes PT, if not a full academy. I had to go to an ADOC academy after I retired from the local SO and got into Corrections. I was running faster than people half my f**king age. I was 52 at the time!


With so few people getting into this racket Depts have been forced to lower their standards. Hell, when I started you could NOT have ever in your life even tried pot. Now it is accepted, and that is horseshit. That is an indicator of, what I feel, a blatant disregard for the law, authority, and the lack of good judgement!


Oh well, as the world turns!



Im not trying to offend anyone whit what i said it was just an example. by no means do i think that at any age you are just to old to work as a LEO i was just refering to some of the guys on my department which is federal... go figure.. we have just undergone a change in the physical agility test from what it was which was a 100m obstical course which is over a fence threw  windows carry a 180 lb dummy 10 feet and then identify a suspect by a description that was given to them before the run... now all the older LEO 

(hired before I) have to do this physical agility test and i know that quite a few can not complete this test the way it is and it is so easy... this is what i ment by what i said sorry for any confusion. 


 


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Alot of small town, underpaid agencies are in the same boat...staffed by those that should be rated as 'unfit' for duty.

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I ll give ya the healthy part but I seen some guys older then 45 in better physical shape then some 30 year olds. Just cuz we old don't mean were broke or can't get it done

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I ll give ya the healthy part but I seen some guys older then 45 in better physical shape then some 30 year olds. Just cuz we old don't mean were broke or can't get it done



I agree that there are some 'older' officers who are in fine physical shape, but when my backup is pushing close to 280 lbs and can't follow me over a 6 foot wall in pursuit of a murder suspect, I start taking issues with it.

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There are some things about the DACP that are good, and not so good.  Yes I agree it does have a long way to go to get to where it needs to be.  But one of the biggest hold backs is, not to pick on, or offend anyone.  You get a lot of MP green suiters who retire and just change uniforms.  With that you still have the old MP way of thinking, instead of the way outside law enforcement thinks.  You have the 190-56 that DACP's fall under, come on we all know that is outdated!  Oh and the best NO LEP!!!  The academy at FTL has some good classes, but it is not all that.  There are some outstanding instructors there!!!  But "it isn't FLETC"  Yes the physical fitness is a joke, have you seen some of the US Customs people?  I think that this program is going to be a revolving door.

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Most military installations that I am familiar with use Federal Protective Service Officers.  Now, I don't know whether or not you have seen the training these guys go through in GLENCO,  Georgia but  I have and it is very demanding.  I think that physically, it is more demanding than some civilian academies I have seen.   I haven't met any of these guys, older or younger, that I wouldn't count on for backup if need be.