nikkochey says ...

Whoa gents, you are jumping the gun here. Allen made it clear that it was just friendly ribbing between his department and the local PD. He is a verified and certified LEO in the state of Texas. Lets bury the hatchet on this I truely appreciate it. If you wish to continue this it will be taken to the fight club. I however think this should be a dead issue. Thnak you all.

 

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Yes he did correct it after his original post but I do have the original on my response and I thought the original was an inapropriate comment to all LEO's but I am done with this thread anyway.

I can't say how it is in Texas other than to state what I have already said that Allen is a certified officer (LEO) in the state of Texas. Here in MT Campus Police Officers must attend the State Law Enforcement Academy the same as any other LEO. The only ones who get more training are the Highway Patrol as they cover Traffic Laws , Accident investigation and Commercial Vehicle laws in great depth. Campus Officers have a geographically smaller area of jurisdiction but often the population is greater than most smaller cities here in MT. They are within the County boundaries and all arrestable offenses are are handled by them. They only difference I believe is transport to the jail is handled by the county or city officers.

Farva705LiterCola says ...

Note: This message was edited, as to not offend my brother officers.  I apologize for any bad feelings my original message has caused.

 

Any of you College Campus Police, or SRO's get any flak from the city guys for our jobs?  We do allll the time. As the nature of our job is is somewhat different.

My response to them, when we are cutting up while meeting each other at the gas station/fast food place is....I usually tell them, at least we can take the time and do it right, not rush a call and decide to do nothing. lol I only say this because we have been told in the past, "oh, it's Campus Security, they are not real cops, and can't do anything"....even though we have Police on our badge, cars and patches.

You know, I had forgotten about this thread and forgot that it was you that posted it. I knew there was something familiar about you. My response would be that as a campus cop there are so many things that you will probably rarely if ever have to respond to that I do on a daily basis. On the other hand everything you respond to I also handle on a daily basis. A lot of the things that you and I both respond are on a bigger scale for me. I have attended various colleges around the country, given the atmosphere on a college you probably have more time to devote to each and every call, but in my world when you are running from call to call things do seem a little more hectic. That does not mean that my calls are not getting the service that they need, it just means I have to have a little more hustle in my game. It's just like working out, over time you build up endurance for city, county, and state policing. I think that a majority of campus police lack the amount of experience that other law enforcement agencies have, simply beause what you do in the course of a month, I do in a day over at least two counties.

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hcgale says ...

YOU made the comment about LEO's rushing to calls and doing nothing!  now defend it.  its not sarcasm its degrading!

Man, what is with you?? I told you once, it was a sarcastic response to fellow BROTHER LEOS name calling. We have been called glorfied security guards. It's all made in good ribbing of each other. I was just curious, if this happens in your jurisdiction, when you encounter Officers who work for different institutions or types of departments.

I apologize if this offended anyone. This was not my intent.

It was your comment about LEO's running to calls and not doing anything. It was an assanine comment I bust my @$$ investigating complaints and putting people in jail, and now I have to see Campus Police telling Me I don't do anything?

Yep, this is what my original thread was made for. LEO's making reference that my job is not as legitimate as theirs.

Just so everyone knows, check the date this is an old thread. It just concerns me how he has a pattern of coming in and acting this way towards other LEO's. I was suspended because a comment I made as a joke was offensive and some people did not take it that way. I did not take the original unedited post as a joke either and was highly offended by the insinuation. I would love for him to come up to KY on a ridealong and see my day. Let's see how he does responding to an Outlaw MC fight with the Barbarosa. Lets see how he responds to an active Meth lab with 5-10 hybrids up in a holler or down in the bottoms, or a 1000 plant marijuana plot guarded by rattle snakes tied to stakes with the rattles cut off and another 10-15 hybrids with shotguns in the woods. His day is not very similar to mine at all.

We are generally all too busy to worry about "dissing" each other.

The officers at my university are all really good police officers, they took the time to track down my stolen laptop.

Okay, I got tired of reading all the childish banter going back and forth here, and I see where CNUPD1 is coming from and I would like to respond accordingly.

There is a bit of a rivarly between the city cops and "other" departments. I work in a city of over 1 million plus. There are a lot of officers on the local PD that wouldn't give officer from other departments (such as university, school, transit police, etc...) the time of day. I have experienced this first hand.

A lot of this comes from their academy (since our city has its own academy for the PD, and you have to attend the entire thing regardless if you are certified or not). They teach that the PD is the best department out there, and that there is non better in the world outside of their own. Unfortunately, this theology sticks with a lot of young recruits who are starting out in law enforcement for the first time and have never experienced working at any other agency. It had gotten so bad in our area that they began teaching diversity training to the cadets so they could learn to get along with other agencies.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of damn good officers who work for the local PD that would back me up and assist me in a heartbeat, but there is a problem with rivalry that the department had to address it.

As far as the comment about rushing calls and deciding to do nothing, I am once again siding with CNUPD1 with this issue. Again, in the large city I work, the officers are so swamped with calls, that often times they do what they have to in order to get caught up. I've actually been at a shots fired call where several PD officers showed up, rolled their windows down and stated, "Well, I don't hear anymore shots are anyone yelling for help...10-8!" without even giving it a good honest patrol through the area. Of course, when each officer had 15 to 30 calls stacked up, what do you do? It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation caused by lack of manpower, and an ineffecient call taking/dispatch center (this has also been addressed by the PD and they are working on the solution).

And being called a security guard....as a railroad police I get called that quiet a bit (not just by civilians, but by PD officers as well). Hey, I know I'm a cop, I can't blame them for their ignorance. Then there are some officers whose ego just over rides everything else.

When I worked as a state police officer / agent for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, I was off duty when I observed a roadrage driver trying to ram another vehicle off the road. The driver had a 3 year old in the car with him at the time. I called the local PD, who I routinely worked with, and reported the incident (they had already received numerous 9-1-1 calls on it). The driver pulled into a store parking lot where I blocked him in and prevented him from leaving. When he came back out, I pulled out my badge and ID card and informed him that he was being detained for reckless driving and endangering a child. When the local PD officer got there, the guy (who admitted to the road rage incident) was questioning my authority. The PD officer told the guy, "Oh, well, he's just a TABC officer, he's sorta like a cop, but don't worry, I'll take care of it from here!" Now, that chapped my hide a little bit, in my mind, a cop should never undermine another cop, especially in front of a suspect. A cop is a cop, no matter where they work!

I found out this week that the local PD chief issued a policy that states that their officers WILL NOT take a prisoner, or handle a call from another agency. I understand a little bit of this, however; the way the laws read here, an officer from outside their jurisdiction may make an arrest for a crime within their presence or view, but MUST hand them over to an agency with authority.

We try to handle our own, but I already ran into a problem with this policy. I stopped a DWI driver that was a legit danger to himself and other motorists. Just as outlined in state law and our protocall, I contacted the local PD. When the officer got there, he refused to take the prisoner (who couldn't stand up due to his intoxication) and drove off.

Things have gotten so bad with that department that patrol districts won't even stop to handle calls if they see something in an unassigned district. I watched an officer let a guy go after beating his girlfriend and having five misdemeanor warrants, he flat out told me that he would just let it be "x" districts problem because he worked "y" district.

It was the same in the military.....Navy saying they are "better" than Air Force, Army Infantry saying they are better than "pogues", Marines saying they are better than Army...etc etc. And I never had much use for it in the military either.

Never felt the need to make myself feel better than anyone else professionally because of what organization I am apart of. I think people who say they are better because of who they are apart of dont have much personally to be proud of. Im more of an individual than part of the crowd.

I don't know about the rest of you, but all our back-up comes from the Sherriffs Dept. and local departments. I am happy to see the boys in blue, black or brown when I need a hand.

Anonymous says ...

It was the same in the military.....Navy saying they are "better" than Air Force, Army Infantry saying they are better than "pogues", Marines saying they are better than Army...etc etc. And I never had much use for it in the military either.

Never felt the need to make myself feel better than anyone else professionally because of what organization I am apart of. I think people who say they are better because of who they are apart of dont have much personally to be proud of. Im more of an individual than part of the crowd.

The cat who said this was one smart cookie :)

Thought this thread was dead a while ago. 

Either way just remember this everyone, Law Enforcement is one of the most unpredictable jobs out there.  We need to respect each other and have each others back.  The criminals are the people we should be wasting our time arguing with, not other LEO's.  Guess what, that University cop or that City cop could save your life one day or be your back up when nobody else is there.  So instead of bashing each other, help train each other, learn and have some god damn respect.  Help each other get home to our families at the end of our shift.

Hey evrybody. i'm very new @ Policing. i'm also a Campus cop. I'm Certified through the State becasue i been through the academy. i'm looking at all of the Bashing on Allen. Granted yea, it wasn't smart but i kind of get what he's saying. i mean i go out and yea some cops are like yea your a security guard. 

I just want to say this... I don't care about where your from, meaning if your from a different state or another jurisdiction. a cop is a cop, and i was taught, We are all We have in the end. Saying that to say this,

if i'm on vacation and i see a cop getting his ass kicked somehwere, i'm gonna help him out. Thats becasue of the respect to the uniform and the respect to the badge.

I would hope, just because i'm a Campus cop and your a Patrolman, that i can get the same in return.

Hating on Campus cops is like racism. it's not cute.

Hey, furthermore I hope you guys and gals stay safe out there. just remember 1 thing. We are a walking target as soon as we put on this uniform regardless of the patch, color or badge. the bad guy only see's a uniform. You and I see jurisdiction and everything else. so you guys Be safe.

Reckless_Rookie says ...

Hey evrybody. i'm very new @ Policing. i'm also a Campus cop. I'm Certified through the State becasue i been through the academy. i'm looking at all of the Bashing on Allen. Granted yea, it wasn't smart but i kind of get what he's saying. i mean i go out and yea some cops are like yea your a security guard. 

I just want to say this... I don't care about where your from, meaning if your from a different state or another jurisdiction. a cop is a cop, and i was taught, We are all We have in the end. Saying that to say this,

if i'm on vacation and i see a cop getting his ass kicked somehwere, i'm gonna help him out. Thats becasue of the respect to the uniform and the respect to the badge.

I would hope, just because i'm a Campus cop and your a Patrolman, that i can get the same in return.

Hating on Campus cops is like racism. it's not cute.

 

Hey, furthermore I hope you guys and gals stay safe out there. just remember 1 thing. We are a walking target as soon as we put on this uniform regardless of the patch, color or badge. the bad guy only see's a uniform. You and I see jurisdiction and everything else. so you guys Be safe.

If you're a police officer why haven't you been verified?