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Whoa gents, you are jumping the gun here. Allen made it clear that it was just friendly ribbing between his department and the local PD. He is a verified and certified LEO in the state of Texas. Lets bury the hatchet on this I truely appreciate it. If you wish to continue this it will be taken to the fight club. I however think this should be a dead issue. Thnak you all.


 


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Yes he did correct it after his original post but I do have the original on my response and I thought the original was an inapropriate comment to all LEO's but I am done with this thread anyway.


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If ANY rookie LEO told me that 'he' could do the job better than me then I would have immediately handed him his a$$. Now I am not sure how it goes with Campus Police anymore as I have been out of it for awhile now but we definitely did not consider them real cops. They only had jurisdiction on campus and in the building off campus and we never saw any of them ever take anyone to our jail or to city or county court. They also did not attend the State Police Academy with the rest of us either so sorry but I have just never considered them real cops. I do know that SRO's here in Fl ARE real LEO's as they are Deputy Sheriff's that have drawn the assignment of working the school, they are still full fledged deputies who can be transferred back to being a road deputy.

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I can't say how it is in Texas other than to state what I have already said that Allen is a certified officer (LEO) in the state of Texas. Here in MT Campus Police Officers must attend the State Law Enforcement Academy the same as any other LEO. The only ones who get more training are the Highway Patrol as they cover Traffic Laws , Accident investigation and Commercial Vehicle laws in great depth. Campus Officers have a geographically smaller area of jurisdiction but often the population is greater than most smaller cities here in MT. They are within the County boundaries and all arrestable offenses are are handled by them. They only difference I believe is transport to the jail is handled by the county or city officers.

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I know its the end of the thread,  "and just when I thought I was out they pulled me back in".   


Without looking, I would guess that Allen is probably just into his twenties.  I think we all would admit we said some dumb things when we were rookies.   Or at least things that could be misconstrued.  (Is that more politically correct?)


Its no secret that we are all proud of what we do. Whether we are a Detective in Homicide, or in Patrol where we fight almost on a daily basis and have fast chases weekly. You wont see seasoned detectives bad mouthing Patrol officers  for what they do.  And we surely respect what detectives do, be it homicide, robbery, Juvenile or whatever.    There are Housing cops, city cops, county cops, county deputies, town cops, campus police, harbor patrol, and on and on.  We know some guys never see a guy with a gun. Never go face to face with an armed man, never have to guard the naked body of a young girl until the corroner arrives, never have to pull a screaming woman or child out of a wreck or tell a dying person yes they will be fine.  But, we show respect for them and what they do and expect them to respect what we do in return.   Its always best  to avoid spitting contests because there is almost always bad feelings afterward and that only gets in the way of working relationships.   The rivalry is best kept within each group respectfully such as squad to squad where all are on an equal basis as far as what the job entails.   I can remember an incident when several NY housing authority cops shot it out with several NYC cops on the street!    Talk about jurisdictional rivalry!      


I think when I joined this community, I read somewhere that ribbing,and bashing can happen and if you have soft skin you should beware. I have been on a few web nets in my time and there were some who liked to trash people, hurt their feelings etc. and always some newbies that said things that just gave the bashers the opportunity for gratification. Its the nature of the beast.  It looks like this list gets rid of bashers and other troll types in quick order.  So that should not happen here.  But there will no doubt be some tiffs along the way.   I hope all are mature enough to cool off, let it go and just act like it never happened.


I would have to say that it doesnt seem prudent to do an investigation into someone's credentials on the open forum and have to say oops later  But in this case it just happened that way. Perhaps a plan can be worked out for the future by the moderators. I am just making a suggestion since I am new here and unfamiliar with how things  work.                 Semper Fi 


 

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I'm not even a rookie yet, so I can't speak for LEO's, but I do know that where I work now, there is friendly rivalry between us maintenance grunts. We yell at housekeeping to stop talking and go sweep something, and they tell us to bury ourselves in mulch. If there were no friendly rivalry between different departments, LEO's or not, there would be something important missing.


We talk about a brotherhood on this site. Maybe that's not PC (sibling-hood?), but my brothers and I have always had a trash-talk relationship, and we love each other and respect each other very much. I HOPE that once I'm a LEO, I can trashtalk other LEO's I know in a friendly way that they won't misinterpret as arrogance on my part. And they'd better trash talk me.

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Note: This message was edited, as to not offend my brother officers.  I apologize for any bad feelings my original message has caused.


 


Any of you College Campus Police, or SRO's get any flak from the city guys for our jobs?  We do allll the time. As the nature of our job is is somewhat different.


My response to them, when we are cutting up while meeting each other at the gas station/fast food place is....I usually tell them, at least we can take the time and do it right, not rush a call and decide to do nothing. lol I only say this because we have been told in the past, "oh, it's Campus Security, they are not real cops, and can't do anything"....even though we have Police on our badge, cars and patches.



You know, I had forgotten about this thread and forgot that it was you that posted it. I knew there was something familiar about you. My response would be that as a campus cop there are so many things that you will probably rarely if ever have to respond to that I do on a daily basis. On the other hand everything you respond to I also handle on a daily basis. A lot of the things that you and I both respond are on a bigger scale for me. I have attended various colleges around the country, given the atmosphere on a college you probably have more time to devote to each and every call, but in my world when you are running from call to call things do seem a little more hectic. That does not mean that my calls are not getting the service that they need, it just means I have to have a little more hustle in my game. It's just like working out, over time you build up endurance for city, county, and state policing. I think that a majority of campus police lack the amount of experience that other law enforcement agencies have, simply beause what you do in the course of a month, I do in a day over at least two counties.


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Any of you College Campus Police, or SRO's get any flak from the city guys? We do allll the time.


I usually tell them, at least we can take the time and do it right, not rush a call and decide to do nothing. lol We hear stuff like, oh, it's Campus Security....even though we have Police on our badge, cars and patches.


I take the time and do it right, I don't rush into anything, and everything I do I do within the best of my abbilities. If you are having an issue with your local PD then take it up with them. But what you did was make a blanket comment about LEO's in general. I understand your frustration it was the same as when I was an MP in the Army and people told me I wasn't a real cop even though I worked the same complaints, caught the same criminals, processed the same DUI's. Just watch the blanket statements is all. Thanks.




Given what hapened the other day this seems to be an ego issue with you but not a very well thought out one. I have three colleges in my community and WKU not far down the road, instead of coming across the way you did, the Campus police I deal with are qute content that they don't have to work a shift like I do. Most times they are available anytime I call, with my day you're notlikelygoing to catch me with much down time.


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YOU made the comment about LEO's rushing to calls and doing nothing!  now defend it.  its not sarcasm its degrading!



Man, what is with you?? I told you once, it was a sarcastic response to fellow BROTHER LEOS name calling. We have been called glorfied security guards. It's all made in good ribbing of each other. I was just curious, if this happens in your jurisdiction, when you encounter Officers who work for different institutions or types of departments.


I apologize if this offended anyone. This was not my intent.



It was your comment about LEO's running to calls and not doing anything. It was an assanine comment I bust my @$$ investigating complaints and putting people in jail, and now I have to see Campus Police telling Me I don't do anything?



Yep, this is what my original thread was made for. LEO's making reference that my job is not as legitimate as theirs.


Just so everyone knows, check the date this is an old thread. It just concerns me how he has a pattern of coming in and acting this way towards other LEO's. I was suspended because a comment I made as a joke was offensive and some people did not take it that way. I did not take the original unedited post as a joke either and was highly offended by the insinuation. I would love for him to come up to KY on a ridealong and see my day. Let's see how he does responding to an Outlaw MC fight with the Barbarosa. Lets see how he responds to an active Meth lab with 5-10 hybrids up in a holler or down in the bottoms, or a 1000 plant marijuana plot guarded by rattle snakes tied to stakes with the rattles cut off and another 10-15 hybrids with shotguns in the woods. His day is not very similar to mine at all.


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This whole thread is a good example of why city and campus cops clash to begin with. 


I wear the same uniform, enforce the same laws, and have the same state commission as the city officers here. We are both working for the same goal. To protect and serve the citizens of the city and university. It has taken us a long time to develop a good working relationship, but is has only come about because of open lines of communication.  Instead of it being campus vs city, shouldn't it be good guys vs bad guys?


Stop getting into pissing contests with each other, our badges all say Police on them.


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We are generally all too busy to worry about "dissing" each other.

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A better choice in the use of wording/linguistics should be considered for "allen705".  However, as a Texas Campus Police Officer (9 years) I can attest to the fact that ALL Texas Police Officers must pass the 640 academy hours and take the TCLEOSE Peace Officer's exam.  Here, unlike some other states, a laws are laws and considered by our state to be enforced equally when having the honor to wear the shield.

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The officers at my university are all really good police officers, they took the time to track down my stolen laptop.

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I am a university police officer.  I am sworn through the same court system as my city comrades.  Many of them love the fact we are out there side by side, and others despise us for doing what we do and how we do it.  I have learned to forge relationships regardless of how they think, as one of us may be backing them and vice versa.  It is how you present yourself and your department.  Some people will not change, and that may be their loss.  Either way, don't stop doing what you do and how well you do it.


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Okay, I got tired of reading all the childish banter going back and forth here, and I see where CNUPD1 is coming from and I would like to respond accordingly.


There is a bit of a rivarly between the city cops and "other" departments. I work in a city of over 1 million plus. There are a lot of officers on the local PD that wouldn't give officer from other departments (such as university, school, transit police, etc...) the time of day. I have experienced this first hand.


A lot of this comes from their academy (since our city has its own academy for the PD, and you have to attend the entire thing regardless if you are certified or not). They teach that the PD is the best department out there, and that there is non better in the world outside of their own. Unfortunately, this theology sticks with a lot of young recruits who are starting out in law enforcement for the first time and have never experienced working at any other agency. It had gotten so bad in our area that they began teaching diversity training to the cadets so they could learn to get along with other agencies.


Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of damn good officers who work for the local PD that would back me up and assist me in a heartbeat, but there is a problem with rivalry that the department had to address it.


As far as the comment about rushing calls and deciding to do nothing, I am once again siding with CNUPD1 with this issue. Again, in the large city I work, the officers are so swamped with calls, that often times they do what they have to in order to get caught up. I've actually been at a shots fired call where several PD officers showed up, rolled their windows down and stated, "Well, I don't hear anymore shots are anyone yelling for help...10-8!" without even giving it a good honest patrol through the area. Of course, when each officer had 15 to 30 calls stacked up, what do you do? It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation caused by lack of manpower, and an ineffecient call taking/dispatch center (this has also been addressed by the PD and they are working on the solution).


And being called a security guard....as a railroad police I get called that quiet a bit (not just by civilians, but by PD officers as well). Hey, I know I'm a cop, I can't blame them for their ignorance. Then there are some officers whose ego just over rides everything else.


When I worked as a state police officer / agent for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, I was off duty when I observed a roadrage driver trying to ram another vehicle off the road. The driver had a 3 year old in the car with him at the time. I called the local PD, who I routinely worked with, and reported the incident (they had already received numerous 9-1-1 calls on it). The driver pulled into a store parking lot where I blocked him in and prevented him from leaving. When he came back out, I pulled out my badge and ID card and informed him that he was being detained for reckless driving and endangering a child. When the local PD officer got there, the guy (who admitted to the road rage incident) was questioning my authority. The PD officer told the guy, "Oh, well, he's just a TABC officer, he's sorta like a cop, but don't worry, I'll take care of it from here!" Now, that chapped my hide a little bit, in my mind, a cop should never undermine another cop, especially in front of a suspect. A cop is a cop, no matter where they work!

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We take great pride in our working relationship with the local agencies.  We have developed mutual aid agreements, have opened the lines of communictions for intelligence on crimes in surrounding areas.  It is a two way street and as long as I have worn a badge all officers are treated equal.  When it hits the fan and many universities have already experienced it that is not the time to develop relationships.

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I found out this week that the local PD chief issued a policy that states that their officers WILL NOT take a prisoner, or handle a call from another agency. I understand a little bit of this, however; the way the laws read here, an officer from outside their jurisdiction may make an arrest for a crime within their presence or view, but MUST hand them over to an agency with authority.


We try to handle our own, but I already ran into a problem with this policy. I stopped a DWI driver that was a legit danger to himself and other motorists. Just as outlined in state law and our protocall, I contacted the local PD. When the officer got there, he refused to take the prisoner (who couldn't stand up due to his intoxication) and drove off.


Things have gotten so bad with that department that patrol districts won't even stop to handle calls if they see something in an unassigned district. I watched an officer let a guy go after beating his girlfriend and having five misdemeanor warrants, he flat out told me that he would just let it be "x" districts problem because he worked "y" district.

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Minus the banter above, I do think that the silly little "we are better than them" type of mentality in LE is pretty childish.  I often see it in big city municipal police departments over others.  And I not talking small cities, but major city PDs.  We see it alot in the Houston area with HPD versus other police departments in the area.


And personally I agree with the frustration of the orignal poster....I think city and county cops do dismiss campus/school district cops more than others....I dont think its meant to be serious, but Im sure if you hear it enough, it can get pretty annoying.  Im not a campus cop myself, Im a county cop, but I do think the campus cops get a bad rap. They have to have the same cert I do, same cert the city cops do, same cert the state cops do and on and on. Same training.


I just dont look down on any commissioned officer...state, county, city, campus, conservation, federal, or any other class. A cop is a cop.

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It was the same in the military.....Navy saying they are "better" than Air Force, Army Infantry saying they are better than "pogues", Marines saying they are better than Army...etc etc. And I never had much use for it in the military either.


Never felt the need to make myself feel better than anyone else professionally because of what organization I am apart of. I think people who say they are better because of who they are apart of dont have much personally to be proud of. Im more of an individual than part of the crowd.

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DAMN OUR WORK IS TOUGH ENOUGH, SO HAVING TO DEAL WITH BS AMONG OURSELVES IS JUST THAT........BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME, HAVE WORKED BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE AND THE BOTTOM LINE BOTH SIDES HAVE A JOB TO DO, AT THE END ITS ALL ABOUT TO SERVE AND PROTECT, TAKE BAD GUYS TO JAIL AND GO HOME SAFE............


A GOOD COP IS A GOOD COP REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY WORK FOR, SAME GOES FOR BAD COPS....THERE ARE SLUGS AND PRODUCTIVE GUYS, ON BOTH SIDES, I HAVE SUPERVISED GUYS IN BOTH.....AND REGARDLES ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPEND ON A CALL ...ITS NOT THE TIME BUT THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT COUNTS...AND WHEN SHIT HITS THE FAN...I DON'T CARE WHO COMES AS LONG AS THEY COME!!


SO LETS SUCK IT UP AND GO TO WORK................YOU ALL STAY SAFE NOW!!

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I don't know about the rest of you, but all our back-up comes from the Sherriffs Dept. and local departments. I am happy to see the boys in blue, black or brown when I need a hand.

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Gallaudet University Department of Public Safety/Campus Police and DC Metro Police always working together, but one of those days....we can see some DC Metro Police officers isn't happy to come over on our campus, and deal/interview with deaf students themselves or waiting for an interpreter(s) to arrive on the scene. 


One thing I know  that we, officers, don't like to play a waiting game.


As an officer, I always try to making everything much easier and painless for them as much as possible. I gathered all informations from suspect(s) and victim(s) that I know MPD officer would like to have or know, and then hand all information(s) and evidence(s) for MPD officer to see. If interpreter didn't show up.... MPD officer may ask any basic question(s), and then I will ask suspect or victim in sign language. After all questions answered in sign language, and I had to wrote all answers down on the notebook so MPD officer(s) can read and make a decision.


If MPD officer(s) believe this situation is pretty serious they have to waiting for an interpreter to arrive on the scene  in order to making a formal interview with suspect(s) and victim(s) with certified interpreter(s).


DC Metro Police have thier own liasion unit: Deaf and Hard Hearing Unit (DHHU)

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It was the same in the military.....Navy saying they are "better" than Air Force, Army Infantry saying they are better than "pogues", Marines saying they are better than Army...etc etc. And I never had much use for it in the military either.


Never felt the need to make myself feel better than anyone else professionally because of what organization I am apart of. I think people who say they are better because of who they are apart of dont have much personally to be proud of. Im more of an individual than part of the crowd.



The cat who said this was one smart cookie :)

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Wow! 


 Entertaining reading.  I work part-time for a campus police department and we experience it alittle bit, I'm a Deputy Sheriff, so I see this as the others have pointed out and its usually just choir practice BS.  When the stuff goes down and the shooting starts we all pick up our tools and go to work.


I enjoy campus policing because its a different set of responsibilities to what my county job is and it may be different because I'm a part-timer, but workin the same types of calls as city and county there is no one entity any better, perhaps some are more experienced in their varying assignments, but the job is basically the same and professional.  In my jurisdiction we have Capitol Police, School Police, Highway Patrol, lottery, gaming and not far up the road we  have tribal police.  I have never experienced any of the mess on the road when I work either job.  I never heard much about it, except at choir practice, untill I read this.


 


We are all thin blue line and we can't let this weaken the line, so be safe all stick to the job because its about goin home at the end of shift and retirement.  Thanks for the discourse...

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Thought this thread was dead a while ago. 


Either way just remember this everyone, Law Enforcement is one of the most unpredictable jobs out there.  We need to respect each other and have each others back.  The criminals are the people we should be wasting our time arguing with, not other LEO's.  Guess what, that University cop or that City cop could save your life one day or be your back up when nobody else is there.  So instead of bashing each other, help train each other, learn and have some god damn respect.  Help each other get home to our families at the end of our shift.

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Hey evrybody. i'm very new @ Policing. i'm also a Campus cop. I'm Certified through the State becasue i been through the academy. i'm looking at all of the Bashing on Allen. Granted yea, it wasn't smart but i kind of get what he's saying. i mean i go out and yea some cops are like yea your a security guard. 


I just want to say this... I don't care about where your from, meaning if your from a different state or another jurisdiction. a cop is a cop, and i was taught, We are all We have in the end. Saying that to say this,


if i'm on vacation and i see a cop getting his ass kicked somehwere, i'm gonna help him out. Thats becasue of the respect to the uniform and the respect to the badge.


I would hope, just because i'm a Campus cop and your a Patrolman, that i can get the same in return.


Hating on Campus cops is like racism. it's not cute.


 


Hey, furthermore I hope you guys and gals stay safe out there. just remember 1 thing. We are a walking target as soon as we put on this uniform regardless of the patch, color or badge. the bad guy only see's a uniform. You and I see jurisdiction and everything else. so you guys Be safe.

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I am a police officer for Wittenberg University in Springfield Ohio, and my department works well with the Springfield City Officers. We also have a patrol area off campus with about 2,000 non- student residence. But for the most part both department work well together.

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Hey evrybody. i'm very new @ Policing. i'm also a Campus cop. I'm Certified through the State becasue i been through the academy. i'm looking at all of the Bashing on Allen. Granted yea, it wasn't smart but i kind of get what he's saying. i mean i go out and yea some cops are like yea your a security guard. 


I just want to say this... I don't care about where your from, meaning if your from a different state or another jurisdiction. a cop is a cop, and i was taught, We are all We have in the end. Saying that to say this,


if i'm on vacation and i see a cop getting his ass kicked somehwere, i'm gonna help him out. Thats becasue of the respect to the uniform and the respect to the badge.


I would hope, just because i'm a Campus cop and your a Patrolman, that i can get the same in return.


Hating on Campus cops is like racism. it's not cute.


 


Hey, furthermore I hope you guys and gals stay safe out there. just remember 1 thing. We are a walking target as soon as we put on this uniform regardless of the patch, color or badge. the bad guy only see's a uniform. You and I see jurisdiction and everything else. so you guys Be safe.



If you're a police officer why haven't you been verified?

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Here in Tallahassee the university has campus police they perform the same duties as regular leo there  jurisdiction is campus property and segments of public road way around the campus they have there own station,patrol cars and motorcycles they also attend the same public safety academy  as all florida leo they are very professional and dedicated I know because I was invited to do a tour a couple weeks ago and I added them to my list of Departments I would like to work at when I finish school.

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