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Th_untitled_max50

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Posted over 7 years ago

 

Want to hear about retention holster, experiences with different levels and makes/ models. Brand recommendations

Bbqxena_max50

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Level 3 holsters are just as unsafe as level 1 holsters if your keepers are in the way or your belt is not set up properly. I believe there was a Missouri officer that lost their life on this specific scenario.....went to drawl their pistol and the keeper stopped the bottom snap from coming undone.....couldn't pull the pistol out.....and lost thier life....very sad, but not in vein.....that incident alone will probably save many officers lives.... I have no recommendations on brands since without proper training all of them will not work the way it was intended...

Th_untitled_max50

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

How about ... what have you carried Level 1? 2? 3? Likes / dislikes?
I am awaare of needing training , I'm just trying to get some opinions on ease of use ( w/ training ) and comfort .

Bbqxena_max50

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I've carried Level 1 the entire time and I like it........(8yrs) I like to keep things simple and the comfort level is nice...

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I have carried Level 3 my entire time, and I am very comfortable with it. I have no problems un holstering it, and would much rather have it when the "fight" is on. Tat2's point was very valid, you need to make sure that it works for you when you need it to. I would suggest borrowing one of your partner's holsters, and going out to the range for some live fire drills.

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I carry a level one now. When I started in Law Enforcement there was no such thing as a level 1,2,or 3 holsters. About everyone's holster back then had a strap that snapped across the hammer spur to the side of the holster. I like to keep mine simple. As a training officer I see problems, with my Deputys that have a Level 2 or 3, because they don't set and practice getting their firearm out of the holster and they forget how. No matter what type you carry if you are not proficient in getting it out and "in the game" you or one of your fellow officers are going to get hurt. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE ! You do under stress what you do in training, so do it right the firist time.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I carry a level one now. When I started in Law Enforcement there was no such thing as a level 1,2,or 3 holsters. About everyone's holster back then had a strap that snapped across the hammer spur to the side of the holster. I like to keep mine simple. As a training officer I see problems, with my Deputys that have a Level 2 or 3, because they don't set and practice getting their firearm out of the holster and they forget how. No matter what type you carry if you are not proficient in getting it out and "in the game" you or one of your fellow officers are going to get hurt. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE ! You do under stress what you do in training, so do it right the firist time.

Frank_at_work_max50

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I carried a revolver in Level 1 or 2 holsters for about half of my career. When we transitioned into semi-autos we had to buy our own holsters so I went to a Level 3 Safariland model 070. I don’t think that I ever missed a beat because I did practice with it and did reposition my equipment to accommodate drawing my weapon. I put an additional keeper behind my holster to keep my Stinger flashlight from blocking my grip on the weapon.

The department then issued us Level 2 Safariland 295 hostlers. Many of us were very disappointed; we just liked added security of the Level 3 better. Just as important as drawing the weapon is weapon retention during a fight.

But the real issue is not holster technology as much as taking your training seriously, practice drawing your weapon from various positions, and practicing retaining your weapon in violent fight. It’s not the manufacturers responsibility to keep the weapon in the holster; it’s your responsibility. And it is your responsibility to practice drawing it under stress.

Practice.

Th_untitled_max50

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I am almost amazed to see this many LEO in 1 room that understand the concept of Train, Train Train & train some more. I actually keep telling several officers here about the need and get the "I know I should..." routine constantly.
I wish that departments would make regular training mandatory, just for the "in case of"

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Used to carry a Safariland 070 (level 3), now carry a 6480 (level 2). Was actually quicker with the 070.

Liz_max50

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Interesting topic here. As a firearms training officer I believe that the level three holster is the way to go. But I see so many officers show up on range day and it takes them 15 minutes to pull their weapon from the holster. (exagerating here). During live fire, we qualify 3 times per year, I make all of the officers draw from a fully secured holster. It is sad to say that some take 10 seconds to get the gun from the holster. Training and practice make a holster what it should be. When I see someone is having problems with their holster I spend 15 minutes in front of everyone practicing live fire draw. Putting peer presure on the one responsible to keep up on their skills. Right or wrong it works for me.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I have a level 2 Raptor, I like it, but I think which ever holster you go with the trick is to PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE drawing from you holster!!


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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I use the level three Raptor (Safariland). I agree with LCarvin, Practice is the only way to go. Just remember the bad guy already has thier weapon out, we have to react. The best drill is to stand in front of a full length mirrior(with an unloaded weapon!!!) and practice trying to out draw yourself. When you can do that let me know the secret..

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I have been using the level 3 raptor for about 2 years and find it to be a great holster. I first started out using a level 3 safariland holster, the one with the snaps and you have to rock back then draw. I have found the raptor to be a great easy to use holster. I agree with LCarvin about practicing. Just remember to unload weapon. I personally walked around the house for hours over several days wearing my duty rig and practicing. I know that it sounds silly to have to do that but if you dont you put yourself at greater risk if you are unable to draw your weapon. Im just curious for those carrying the raptor holster, has anyone had the thumb break break, or the ejection port release break.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I carry the Safariland 6365 tactical level 2 plus, with the SLS and front hood. Took a lot of dry runs and even more hot to get used to, but I would recommend it.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I carry a level 3 holster. Got to practice with it, but once you get use to it, works great. I suppose that is true with any holster though. Stay Safe..

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I carry the safariland SIII level 3, When I first got it I was spooked abut how tough it was to get my weapon out. So I trained trained and trained with it now its as easy as it can be. No matter what you use level one to level 3 train with it guys build that muscle memory. Everyone stay safe


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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

AHHH..MUSCLE MEMORY,, THATS IS A KEY... how many of us are guilty while on the range we are unsnapped weapon halfway out before the FIRE Command... Bad Scoobies... Our Dept requires level III holsters and provides them for the Officer, we also require GUN TIME after issue. As Officers mature we may become lazy in our daily practice with mind and body... Role Playing in your mind or What if games are a great way to keep a fresh outlook,, but how many of us "older officers" continue this now, better yet how many were taught how to properly develop Muscle Memory,, its one thing to preach it, and another to practice, We bring the guns to the fight that can kill, we owe it to our selfs and fellow officers to learn how to keep it in our holster no matter what retention system we carry.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

I just recently purchased a Safariland 6280 level 2 holster. It is required by our department. I think it is great. Enough retention to keep your weapon out of the hands of suspects/inmates but still easy to pull when needed.


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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

+1 on Fender's 6280... I also added the "Sentry" to it since there are those folks out there who study what we carry and how it works. The Sentry took some getting used to and it does slow u down that extra step. I made up for it by training myself into one fluid movement after disengaging the Sentry. In situations where I anticipate drawing -it is already disengaged. I've made it part of my "equipment check" process to check on it. I used to carry an Unkle Mike's Level 3 and I loved it. The inside canting process makes it easier to naturally take a step sideways (evasive step) while drawing... putting you out of the line of fire if someone is drawing or firing on you. The only problem was it didn't take my Tac-light.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I started out with a level 3 raptor and then went to a level 2 safariland. It just takes practice and then some. You could always tell the guys that never practice. Range day they are slow taking their first shot from the holster. Practice make perfect! The only reason I am still using a level 2, is due to my weapon light. I cant find any holsters I like that will allow my light in a level 3.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Safariland 070 (level 3), We recently Tree tested a few differing Holsters... The 070 stood the test... Not one time were we able to disarm the Holster.. The Level 1 failed without a effort, Level Two withstood 8 out of 16 grab attempts. and yes you MUST practice weapons retention as well as drawing your weapon, I hate seeing COPS on a range with holsters unsnapped and unsecure during Firearms practice, you cheat yourself on the line.. you cheat yourself in real life.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I agree with SARspecialist, you HAVE to practice with whatever you use. I currently wear a level 2, but I've had level 1 and level 3. The level 3 I had was a Bianchi SL 3.2.1. I loved it but it's a little too wide (or maybe I'm the one who's too wide) to be sitting in a scout car with a center console for 8 hours a day.


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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

Does anyone think that even carrying a level 1 holster for duty falls on negligence? That was preached to us in our academy in the early 90's.

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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

 I don't. I think the best retention is good training and practice. If you are relying on a level 3 holster to keep your gun safe, I would say that is negligence. Train with what you have, and become proficient with it. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

schultzy04 says ...



 I don't. I think the best retention is good training and practice. If you are relying on a level 3 holster to keep your gun safe, I would say that is negligence. Train with what you have, and become proficient with it. 



I agree. There will never be a holster made that is 100% "safe" for the public and the officer. When it comes down to it do as the others here have stated and train, train, train!


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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

What are your thoughts on the Safariland ALS?


thanks,


Joe

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

Safariland 295 holster is my choice. Google if you are curious.