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www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm This is a story of my son's questionable death that happened February 16, 2006. It's 2+ years later, and I still don't have the answers. Four of the five officers on scene, were asked to resign in June, 2006 for unknown reasons. i have posed 4 questions to all personnel: Former Interim Chief Chris Molina, Former Chief Ron Wadkins, Mayor Hering, Interim Chief Steve Foster 1) How is it possible for Officer Kirby to have checked the pulse, as his patrol car was not dipatched to Amsler Park? 2) How is possible for Officer Norris to have run a wants/warrants check on a person not recognized, no identificaton, nor a suicide note? 3) Why was Sgt. Freeman coming on duty (10-41) @ 4:37AM and again @ 6:20AM? 4) Why is there a crime scene photo of a cigarette butt? Joshua would NOT smoke. There is no mention of such in the statements. I don't know if this "butt" was bagged for potential evidence, his hands weren't. The BIG Question: Why didn't McGregor Police investigate?

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Have you contacted the District Attorney or US Attorney? We can't really answer these questions, because we weren't there...and playing Monday Morning Quarterback without the entire case file in front of us is just unfair to you and everyone else. I would certainly hate to give you any false hope or closure in this matter. No one should have to suffer the loss of a child, so my condolences and blessings for your family are sincere. I would contact an attorney and have them handle this based on a Civil Rights issue if you are suspecting misconduct. Sorry I can't help you more, but it wouldn't be fair to you.

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What is it that you want from the LEOs on this site? Without ALL information regarding the investigation I doubt that you will get anyone here to pass judgement or offer their advice or opinions. While I do feel compassion for your loss I think that this site is the wrong venue to pursue your inquiries regarding your son's death. Have you contacted the local District Attorney's Office, the State Attorney General, hired a lawyer to pursue this matter. These routes seem to offer far more potential for productivity than posting here. Good Luck in your efforts to get the answers that you seek.


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All of the above. And, sorry for your loss.

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Excuse Me!


What do you mean?


You can go to www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm The highlighted areas are excerpts from the files, including a crime scene photo. Warning: Graphic! Also, included is the "report" that Dr. Reade Quinton/Medical Examiner, said I couldn't see. This report I had to get using the Open Records Act. McGregor said they do not have this report..........


If I could attach, I would attach the Autopsy, but in reality, the only system that mentions anything: Respiratory                                                       "Red-purple parenchyma with pulmonary edema" "Tardieu spots on anterior surfaces of the thighs." Joshua's thighs did not come into contact with ground/hard surface, so where are the bruises from? If you look at the crime scene photo, you can see that he was "on his knees"/ "almost on his knees" depending on which officers' statement you read, therefore, no contact!

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curious51 says ...



Excuse Me!


What do you mean?


You can go to www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm The highlighted areas are excerpts from the files, including a crime scene photo. Warning: Graphic! Also, included is the "report" that Dr. Reade Quinton/Medical Examiner, said I couldn't see. This report I had to get using the Open Records Act. McGregor said they do not have this report..........


If I could attach, I would attach the Autopsy, but in reality, the only system that mentions anything: Respiratory                                                       "Red-purple parenchyma with pulmonary edema" "Tardieu spots on anterior surfaces of the thighs." Joshua's thighs did not come into contact with ground/hard surface, so where are the bruises from? If you look at the crime scene photo, you can see that he was "on his knees"/ "almost on his knees" depending on which officers' statement you read, therefore, no contact!



You cannot expect us to comment on this.  We do not know both sides.  We did not investigate this incident.  If you are not satified with the ruling on this you need to contact an attorney and have them take the appropriate steps.  We are truly sorry for your loss but no one will offer any advice to you sorry. 

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Given my opinion this thread should be locked.

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Yeah, what Flerd said.


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Flerd says ...



Given my opinion this thread should be locked.



The original post by curious seems aimed at the specific people listed. I don't think it's possible anyone else could possibly answer any of the questions, as stated by several who have responded.


Now, Curious, I wonder what it is that you are hoping to see or accomplish by posting here?


 


Also, what is your relationship to the victim?


Perhaps more information, please?

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I am the mother of this victim, therefore, I know more than I can tell.


My entire point, there was NO investigation by the police, telling me, "We don't begin an investigation until something suspicious is found."


www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm the highlighted areas are copies of the documents, including a crime scene photo. Warning: Graphic!


www.JusticeForUs.org, Click on Internet Links, #558723957


I particularly don't like the cavalier attitude of those that responded. There is plenty of information from my posted story. There is no other side, because of  NO INVESTIGATION!  I have only stated the facts, the times from the dispatch logs, the words from the statements of the former officers..............................


What does, "locked out" mean?

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You came into a forum specifically for police and their supporters with this "topic" and you have the nerve to say you don't care for OUR attitudes?


I highly suggest you find somewhere else to air your grievance.  You aren't going to get police officers to second guess  an investigation they had nothing to do with, or officers that they have never worked with or met.  I don't know what you EXPECTED to get from us, but obviously, you now know you aren't going to get it.


 I wish you luck with your quest for peace of mind.


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curious51 says ...




I am the mother of this victim, therefore, I know more than I can tell.


My entire point, there was NO investigation by the police, telling me, "We don't begin an investigation until something suspicious is found."


www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm the highlighted areas are copies of the documents, including a crime scene photo. Warning: Graphic!


www.JusticeForUs.org, Click on Internet Links, #558723957


I particularly don't like the cavalier attitude of those that responded. There is plenty of information from my posted story. There is no other side, because of  NO INVESTIGATION!  I have only stated the facts, the times from the dispatch logs, the words from the statements of the former officers..............................


What does, "locked out" mean?



Curious, as we have stated we are sorry for your loss.  However you are asking us to comment on a case that we know very little about.  You are looking for us to side with your opinion and you are not understanding why we can't.  If you wish to make a complaint in regards to your sons death then follow the appropriate channels.  It is not here.


As far as the attitudes are concerned, you are on a website designed for law enforcement officers to commune.  The general public does not have the "right" to expect us to answer to them here.  And we will not on this inquiry.  Again you are asking for something that we cannot and will not provide.  Do not get offended by this.  We have livelyhoods to defend and we are not going to open ourselves up to anything like what you are asking for.


As far as locked out, that means that this thread can no longer be commented on.  I do not feel like this thread should go any further due to the sensitivity of the subject and the propensity for it to spiral out of control.  If I were a moderator I would have done this and emailed you as to the reason. 


I wish you the best of luck with your tragic loss and I hope that you are finally able to get closier. 

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Curious, you are also making allegations that the police department committed crimes and attempted to cover them up.  We are not going to involve ourselves in such allegations.

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curious51 says ...




I am the mother of this victim, therefore, I know more than I can tell.


My entire point, there was NO investigation by the police, telling me, "We don't begin an investigation until something suspicious is found."


www.realcrimes.com/Robinson/Robinson.htm the highlighted areas are copies of the documents, including a crime scene photo. Warning: Graphic!


www.JusticeForUs.org, Click on Internet Links, #558723957


I particularly don't like the cavalier attitude of those that responded. There is plenty of information from my posted story. There is no other side, because of  NO INVESTIGATION!  I have only stated the facts, the times from the dispatch logs, the words from the statements of the former officers..............................


What does, "locked out" mean?


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I do not believe that anyone responding to your question in this thread is trying to be "Cavalier" in their response. We are Police Officers, and must view each case objectively, and not with the emotion or frustration of a loved one who has lost someone.  You come to this site and post what you appear to believe is sufficient information for us to take your side in this matter, and as you can see from the replies, we do not believe that sufficient information has been provided.  We have no way of knowing exactly what happened to your son (God rest his soul), or any way of knowing for certain if you are providing accurate and complete information, or just enough  to get the response from us that you are looking for. This is not meant to be disrespectful, but as veteran Police Officers we have all seen cases where people present only their own side of a story, while ommitting other facts that may be pertinent to the issue at hand. Providing us with Weblinks to information sites does not stand up as factual information, that must be determined through actual criminal investigation and court decisions (I am referring to the Appropriate Authority (District Attorney, etc..... investigating the actions of the McGregor Police Department).


  As veteran Police Officers we will not be drawn into making comments or determinations about what another Police Agency did. or did not do, in regards to a specific investigation.  While we do sympathize with you for your loss, you have been given our response...........contact the District Attorney's Office, the State Attorney General's Office, or hire a Lawyer to pursue this matter.  You are making allegations of Official Misconduct against the Police Officers of the McGregor Police Department and that is an allegation that needs to be investigated by the appropriate authority, not discussed here on this site.  We cannot conduct the investigation, nor can we objectively make determinations as to the course of action to be taken regarding that department. While your pain and grief is clearly understandable, your calling us "Cavalier" and becoming agitated with us for not immediately taking your side and being critical of the McGregor Police Department is, at best, ill conceived and directed.  I wish you the best of luck in your pursuit of whatever peace of mind that you seek (sincerely and not "Cavalierly").


 



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From the above mentioned website:


"I suspect Joshua’s death may have been an "overlay death," caused by placing a knee in the back of someone lying on the ground so the diaphragm cannot move and the lungs cannot inhale/exhale.  Once those officers realized Joshua was dead or close to dead, I suspect that they panicked and attempted to stage a suicide.  I believe that Joshua was "drug" to the chain, as his boots have "drag" marks on them in a straight line. I speculate that those cops then called in their fellow officers to cover up for them, and the Blue Code went into effect, influencing the actions of everyone involved in the investigation."


 Enough said, I'm not touching this.

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This seems to be some very strong accusations against some specific officers. I am offended by the CODE BLUE reference.


PLEASE LOCK THIS TOPIC.

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This appears to be an ungoing investigation or lawsuit and I do not believe it should be aired here. I am locking the thread.


 


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