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Use of the term "Accidental Discharge"

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Posted over 7 years ago

 

That term needs to go away. There's no such thing as an "accidental discharge." Period! The four safety rules of weapons handling are there for a reason. You are negligent in your actions if you fail to safely maintain your weapon and should be charged accordingly.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

All four safety rules were violated this weekend and resulted in a another needless loss. Not accidental, Negligent!

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

What term would you use? Negligent Discharge?

Maybe that is a good idea. It would put more of a negative stigma on it, and that may in itself make officers handle their weapons with greater care.

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I couldn't agree with you more, at least in principle. I have often argued that "negligent discharge" happens all too often, but there is no such thing as "accidental discharge." (I usually apply this to civilian experience, but of course it applies anywhere.) Unfortunately I think anybody would be hard pressed to influence a significant change. Just thing of all the daily automobile crashes classified as "accidents" when they are due to negligent driving.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Negligent Discharge is correct and,indeed, it should have very negative connotation -as in you're FIRED! if you're still alive or you haven't shot someone else.The military with its overabundance of acronyms and traditionalism(not a bad thing!) made the change from AD to ND why not LE? It's not an "accident" it's STUPIDITY! and we don't need stupid officers handling live firearms around us. JFH is right, negligence should be charged accordingly.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Who cares what you call it......and when you look up both definitions both of them apply. Will that reduce AD's/ND's? Absolutely not, they would only decrease if we got rid of our guns and we're not doing that anytime soon....when this happens, it just plain sucks - for everyone....

Funny you mention the 4 rules.....I've seen a Range Master or Instructor that I would bet money has probably the best credentials on this site........and BAM! Now what? Call him stupid and fire him? Well, no......he had a case of the dumb a- - ! The problem is people's mentality of "It won't happen to me" or "I'm safe and those others are idiots...." Seriously - be careful at being so critical because life has a funny way of showing you how human YOU are.... I once read article that quoted a Chief (Respected one) - "You show me a department with no holes in the wall and I'll show you a department that never trains..." We're stuck in the middle..........don't train enough = carelessness and more AD's/ND's and if you train all the time = complacency, aurogance and superman mentality.....

That's my thoughts... yawl be safe...

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

Agreed with tat2... damned if you do, damned if you don't... We ourselves have to remember that we're not immune to anything...

As far as the term "accidents"... in Fairfax County, VA we've changed the terminology to "crashes". As it should be. Don't know who or how it got changed... but at least that's now called like it is.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

If I remember that is how my bestfriends 2nd child came around. I think thats the only text that term should be used.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Hey dumbass keep your finger off the trigger. I saw this video of a cop handcuffing a suspect and a female officer walking up with her gun drawn and she lets off a round barly missing the suspect's head. Those are the female officer's that give us bad names.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

JFH said:

That term needs to go away. There's no such thing as an "accidental discharge." Period! The four safety rules of weapons handling are there for a reason. You are negligent in your actions if you fail to safely maintain your weapon and should be charged accordingly.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

All four safety rules were violated this weekend and resulted in a another needless loss. Not accidental, Negligent!

Same 4 rules my firearms instrutor taught us all. Firearms dont have erasers on them, so dont screw up.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

At my agency all new hires get a full day of one on one firearms training, this is obviously in addition to academy training, before they start the observation phase. We qualify monthly with our handgun, shotgun, CAR-15 and any off duty or back-up weapon. The shoots also involve dry fire exercises; sight alignment, failure drills etc., but with all this we still have an occasional AD/ND.

I agree with the term negligence as it is used in this discussion. Never having had a AD/ND the only thing I can think of why such highly trained individuals could allow this to happen is by rushing the situation or cutting corners.

Interestingly though we still use the term "Accidental" for discharges but like TexasTRex we have adopted "traffic collison" instead of traffic accident. Oh, rule number two was highly stressed as "Never point your weapon at anything yo do not intend to "Kill" in both my LE academy and at our regular qualification shoots.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

What bad is most officers only shoot once a year during their yearly quals. I think alot could be said if all officers trained and shot more then once a year.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Tx, our department has to qualify every three months for handgun and shotgun as well as the supervisors that care the AR-15. My self and my corperal carry only nonlethal in our units, so we have to also qualify with that as well. There should never be "too" many qualifications.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Most Texas agency's qualify once a year which is mandated by the state.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Ive had a ND. I wont lie about it. As an instructor i too sometimes be to "comfortable" or "complacent" with most of my weapons. Sometimes it takes something like that to jerk the knott in your ass you know. i know it did me.

aside from scare the jeepers outa me.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

My agency uses the term negligent discharge for all unintended discharges. A negligent discharge is usually a guaranteed 2-5 days on the beach. We shoot our firearms qualifications every 3 months (1 night qual per year) and also use scenario firearms training. I've never had a ND, but I've been next to someone on the range as they placed a round passed my head. Thank God that person is no longer employed by us.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

have you guys and girls been taught what the differance between ad ,nd and ff?

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

FF?

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FF is the one out of the three that i listed that dos not exist.... im sure some of my military brothers know what im talking about... for the instructors out here you need to know the dif between ad and nd, if you want to be able to walk on of yours out of the chiefs or IA office after being called there to report on the shooting in question.