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My department does not have permanent assigned shifts. We switch about every two months. Two months of each shift i.e. Dayshift, Eveningshift, Nightshift. I'm wondering how many other departments out there switch or have permanent shifts. Also wondering how other "cops" cope with these types of changes on a regular basis.

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Ours is about right. We rotate every four months and you can bid for your favorite shift 2 of the 3 rotations. We also have to switch our days-off each time. Some guys can't stand days, so they can avoid them. Some guys hate nights, and they can avoid them too. The only guys who really get boned are the new guys, but we have yet to figure out how to make everyone happy. Once you get even a little bit of seniority, you can usually avoid any shift (or sergeant) that you really don't care for.


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Ours is about right. We rotate every four months and you can bid for your favorite shift 2 of the 3 rotations. We also have to switch our days-off each time. Some guys can't stand days, so they can avoid them. Some guys hate nights, and they can avoid them too. The only guys who really get boned are the new guys, but we have yet to figure out how to make everyone happy. Once you get even a little bit of seniority, you can usually avoid any shift (or sergeant) that you really don't care for.

We have three shifts, 7a to 5p, 4p to 2a, and 9p to 7a. We vote on shifts based on senority. I chose to go to midnights to be the Sr. Officer.....but I have to put up with a very special Sgt. two days of the week.....I don't know how I'll make it.

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My department does not have permanent assigned shifts. We switch about every two months. Two months of each shift i.e. Dayshift, Eveningshift, Nightshift. I'm wondering how many other departments out there switch or have permanent shifts. Also wondering how other "cops" cope with these types of changes on a regular basis.

 


The NYPD used to do this, but on a weekly basis.  It's caused alcoholism, suicide and divorce.  It also caused guys to die very quickly after retirement.    Now there are steady shifts. 

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our department works 12 hour shifts.  we rotate every 4 weeks.  permanent shifts would be great in my opinion.  i despise day shift!


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My Department rotates every four months we work twelve hour shifts with every other fri,sat and sun off and we get the choice of comp time or overtime for the extra 4 hours a pay period. Our Agency is thinking about staying on a fixed shifts which most of the Officers want so well see.

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We have perminent eight hour shifts (0000 -0800, 0800-1600, 1600-000) with senior Officers getting first pick on openings. If no one steps up, we assign it to the junior Officer on staff. Short term swaps are fine as long as they stay in the same pay period.


 


There is stability in set scheduling. Setting up a shift schedule and assignments never depends on a rotating influx of different Officers and you end up with everyone basically where they like to be. Officers that work a set shift are focused and current on what is going on in their areas while they are on duty, they know the hot spots and where to be at bar close, when the Twins, Vikings, or Wolves (just using Mpls as the example) game lets out and where to be because they are used to it.  Officers working days have to climatize to conditions on nights when they rotate in. What you see is different by context because of the time.


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Permanent shifts are the only way to go these days.

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We work 12's and bid by seniority once a year....98% of the guys get what they bid for.  The other 2% or new anyway so, they are lucky just to be here

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My Department rotates weekly with a pay period of Friday-Thursday.  It sucks in comparison to what I have heard here so far.  Mids starts on Sunday-Thursday (8 hours) Friday and Saturday are 12 hour shifts ending Sunday 0800.  Off until Wednesday 1600 - 2400 through Thursday, then Friday is only 4 hours and Saturday is 12.  Sunday, Monday and Tuesday are 8 hour shifts.  The only "frozen" shift is Chief who works Monday-Friday 8-4.  When I first started, the selling point was every three weeks, I got 5 days off before starting the Mids rotation.  We have a small department with only 4 full time officers (including Chief).  Chief created a "Patrol Detective" position for me a few years back.  This only lead to me rarely working the mids shift so I could conduct interviews during the daytime and have him there to respond to calls if necessary.  Sounds great huh? Well, I still have to fill the 24 hours of mids on the weekend, so, I'm lucky to know wheather I am getting into bed or out most of the time.  We are experimenting having our mids switch to 8p-4a and on call until Chief starts.  Then the weekend will still be full 12 hour shifts. 


When you sit back and see this all spelled out, you gotta wonder...  WTF!


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We work eight hour shifts. We have three different shifts (days, evenings, and mids). We rotate every six months forward. We have done this due to officers not ever working different shifts and not knowing what happens on other shifts. We also rotate with the same officers and supervisors unless there is an emergency (school, kids, and ect.) This also helps as we do actvie shooter training thus keeping the same people and not having to learn a new person very often. We also have a general instructor, firearms and semanations instructor, and at least two FTO's on shift  I like working with same people most of the time. The shift I have right now is one of the best I have had in a long time.

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Nothing ought to be permanent with scheduling in law enforcement. Things are alwasy changing. People's lives are always changing. Staffing is always changing.


And despite the strongest commentary, there are very very few genetic owls out there that can work graveyard for a career. If you do your research you'll discover that workers that work during deep night hours have a somewhat reduced life expectancies. Whether or not you like day shift, it's good for the body.


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Nothing ought to be permanent with scheduling in law enforcement. Things are alwasy changing. People's lives are always changing. Staffing is always changing.


And despite the strongest commentary, there are very very few genetic owls out there that can work graveyard for a career. If you do your research you'll discover that workers that work during deep night hours have a somewhat reduced life expectancies. Whether or not you like day shift, it's good for the body.


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 We started out with three shifts with short changes.   In other words get off at 1100PM be back at 700Am in one case.  Not to mention the paperwork after we got off.  Many guys over slept  on occasion and I was guilty at least once.


  Eventually, we went to a 4/10 plan.  We loved it so much we had the FOP fight for us to keep it.      We worked four days, ten hours a day and then got three days off.    We were able to work part time jobs limited to about two of the three days off so as to allow a good rest.  the best part was that the days off rotated through the week.  You would get Sun mon and tues off one week. Mon tues wed the next and so on until you rotated into the weekends again. At one point you had off fri sat and sun.    So everyone got some weekends off eventually.  Before that, at one point I had split days off.  Seniority got weekends but rookies would have maybe mon and thurs  off.         


  I guess there are some that like permanent shifts. But eves are terrible for a family man, and mids makes you old before your time.


  One other benefit to the 4/10 plan was that we got off at 200am and the midnight shift came in at 1000pm. So during the most busy hours on weekends for instance there were twice as many cars out there as there would normally be.  The evening car was primary and handled calls until midnight then backed up the midnight cars until he got off.  The midnight cars backed up from 1000 until midnight then went primary.


I feel that 10 hours is a good time limit. You get tied up sometimes and that runs into 11 or twelve hours.   On a twelve hour shift if you get tied up you are running way over the limit and then thinking and reaction starts to suffer            I think some of the shifts departments come up with are accepted because they are easier to set up or for their convenience.  They dont consider the effects upon officers health or well being.         I can tell you that things didnt change for us until we got the FOP to advocate for us. I feel sad for the guys who have to work without some type of organization to at least speak for them.  Speaking for yourself can get you fired in some places.

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12 hour shifts, 0600 to 1800 or 1800 to 0600.  We work 3 12's for 3 weeks the a week with 4 12's.  We keep shifts and campus assignments for a year and then bid by seniority.

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Rotating shifts shouldn't be rotated more often than quarterly. It takes 2-3 week for the body's circadian rythym to adjust to the change, especially if the rotation goes backwards against the clock (ie: 0001-0800 then 1600-2400, then 0800-1600)


The agency I was with rotated quarterly, with a six on two off schedule which resulted in everyone getting at least 1 weekend off every 4 weeks and a 3 day weekend every six weeks due to the way payroll was done.  We argued for 4/10s but manpower wasn't there.


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I have been on nights for about eight years and I love it.  I got thrown onto days for two months but they quckly put me back on nights once all of the day people came back from vacations, baby, sick leave... yada yada....  Anyway, I agree that forced rotation, especially every week like one post said, would do a lot of harm.  There is nothing like having to adapt to days, then nights, then days, then nights...  Kind of makes for a rough and not so productive life.  Plus, I could imagine the suicide and divorce rate would be high, due to the fact that your family life would be a constant struggle.  One of the best thing you can do for your family is to atleast be consistent.


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my department does not rotate as of right now because we three officers who have bitched and bitched about working nights and have even said thay would quit if they had to work nights. in our last staff meeting us night shift guys brought the idea back up again and the chief finally said take a vote and it will change. wee took a vote and turned it in we decide to rotate shifts every two months. the day shift guys are pissed at us and won't even tell us what was going on during the day. one of the sgt's who is close to retiring has stated that if we do start rotating shifts he will out right retire. I think its a good idea since the department will not pay us shift differential pay. I have been on nights since i started and like it but a change would be nice since lately nothing is happening on nights because the citizens know that the real police work at night and we dont put up with thier b.s.

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Nothing ought to be permanent with scheduling in law enforcement. Things are alwasy changing. People's lives are always changing. Staffing is always changing.


And despite the strongest commentary, there are very very few genetic owls out there that can work graveyard for a career. If you do your research you'll discover that workers that work during deep night hours have a somewhat reduced life expectancies. Whether or not you like day shift, it's good for the body.



Well, I'm one!!  A genetic Owl that is...  I love, prefer and BEG to stay on EM shift - 2100 to 0730 hrs.  I have been transfered off for 8 months amost a year ago but that was a whole different issue.  Now I'm back on "my" shift and happy!!  But I'm a single mom and I have a special needs son at home.  I think GOD chooses our talents & temperaments and therefore I will be just fine.


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My agency switches RDO (days off) every three months but you can swap out with a co-worker to keep your days if you wish.  The new thing is to rotate senior people from watch to watch (to give more exposure to varied duties), blah blah blah.  Well I just came back to EM shift so it ain't going to be my turn for a year or so.  I hope my son will be able to better deal with me not being in his classroom by that time.

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my agency has bid cycles, patrolman every 6 months and supervisors every 3 months.  and of course everything runs on senority

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Over the years several studies have shown that rotating shifts can be detrimental to your health, especially the every 3mo. version.  It takes four to six weeks for your circadian rhythyms to readjust, especially if you are going from mids to days.  Every two months ?? Makes for good zombies I would imagine.   Our dept. has a yearly shift bid process, by seniority, and we have some permanent day shifters & some permanent night shifters (we are also on a 12hr shift schedule, 0700-1900 / 1900-0700).  We have enough of the permanent night shifters that it isn't an automatic "rookie goes to nights" system.  If you have the ability to negotiate a contract with your city (county/state) , I'd highly recommend a bid process, or, if the other side insists on mandatory rotation then ask for annual rotations to be put in place.  Being a cop is stressful enough and lack of sleep is always an issue, usually because of not enough pay & having to work part-time jobs.  trying to adjust your sleep cycle every few months just compounds the issue.

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The NYPD used to do this, but on a weekly basis.  It's caused alcoholism, suicide and divorce.  It also caused guys to die very quickly after retirement.    Now there are steady shifts. 



Yes it did promote rapid Officer Burnout, the change to steady regular shifts, with the sometimes Tour Change  for Court or other administrative reasons has reduced some of the job stress, it makes your life more prdictable and reduces the disturbance of the bodies clock adjusting every week.


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We work 2 months of nights and then a month of days...I wish ours was a set schedule!! But oh well thats life!!

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My department rotated every month, Day, Mid, Eve. That did seem to be the fairest way but I am not sure it is the best. I would like to see you assigned to shifts for a period of 3 or 4 months. You would be able to ask for the shift of your choice and seniority would count. What almost always happens is that the Day shift is occupied mostly by the older Officers who have the most experience and capable of investigating the crimes that are discovered in the am. The second shift is mostly occupied by the mid-level guys who are still full of piss and vinegar and ready to fight and race from one call to another. You need fit and experienced Officers to handle these types of calls. Finally the midnight shift which is generally occupied by those Officers who have part-time jobs but still like to shoot and scoot with the young guys and you have the rookies. You get to teach the rookies the finer points of being a cop during the first 4 hours and then you can conduct training the next 4 hours. It really seems to work out well in the departments that I saw it used at.

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We work permanent 12-hr shifts and I love it.  I work 1815 - 0630 with every other weekend off.  I could not stand having to rotate.


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Our department did have three 8 hour shifts, of which I had always been on evenings/midnights.  They attempted rotating shifts every three months, but so many guys quit and went to other departments that they didn't have enough people to man the shifts.  So they finally went to 4-10's and everybody loves it.  They do not rotate but let the guys choose their shifts by senority, but you cannot switch a shift that your established on unless somebody of the same rank is willing to switch with you.  Our shifts are permanent, and have been for about 3 years.  I love midnights, but it does make it very hard on the family especially if your wife works, because you never see each other.  Though I guess that works very well for some marriages.  Occasionally, I wonder what it would be like to work days and have normal hours, but the few dayshifts I've filled in for all I encountered were elderly people speeding and not one cracked out drunk.  It would be hard to schedule anything on rotating shifts.  I am glad we don't do that, but I think it would be nice to have the option to switch shifts or pick shifts every year.  I don't know? 

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We have two different shifts one for patrol and one for dispatch. Dispatch is on 5 -8's working 0600-1400, 1400-2200, and 2200 to 0600.  Senority gets to choose what they want first.  Patrol has the better schedule working 4 on 3 off, 3 on 4 off.  Half work days and the other half work nights with Senority choosing shifts first. Wish dispatch would do the same.

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With the Highway Patrol, each district 1st Sgt. determines the schedule. Some troopers work eight 10 hour days straight and then are off for six days in a row. Some work 8 hour shifts. In my district, we work the modified Dupont schedule of 12 hours Mon,Tues,Fri,Sat,Sun, with Wed. and Thurs. off. The next week we work 10 hours shifts on Wed, and Thurs. This way, when you add up the hours of two weeks it comes to 80 hours, or 40 a week average. It's a very stable schedule, you start at the first of the year and you can tell right away if you'll be off for Thanksgiving as an example. We have four squads, permanent days, permanent nights, and two rotating shifts that switch days and nights every two weeks. Our squads check on in a staggered pattern, we don't have squad briefings, unless we all meet for a meal which we try and do frequently. On my perm. night squad, we'll have one guy work from noon to midnight, another 1P-1A, two guys working 2P-2A and so on until I check on from 6P-6A as the third shift car. We love it. We may not know our exact hours until about a month out, but we'll know our days or nights will be a given.


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In my department we work 4 on and 4 off 12 hour shifts.  We have two shifts per day - day and night shift.  Shifts are permanent assignments with a shift pick once a year.  Works very well for our city. 


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My dept used to rotate every 2 weeks, 8 hr schedule.  Then we went to perm shifts and I was on days for about 2 years.  Then we rotated every 2 months on a 12 hr shift.  Now we are perm again and I have been on nights for almost 5 years.  Last October we started rotating 1 weekend a month (day shift works 1 weekend of nights and night shift works 1 weekend of days).  This is ok.  Fridays remind me why I don't like days, but Sat and Sun are nice.  No brass, no schools, no escorts, etc.

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