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When I started it was called ABGD, but I think it was later shortened to ABD. I went to it for level I and II at Ft. Dix, NJ... Remember "The Beach?" Boy, that sucked. Anyone else?

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Went to it at Camp Bullis and later taught it after we brought it back from Ft Dix. Never had to go to Ft Dix.

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They called ours Ground Combat Skills when I went through it at Camp Bullis in '97, prior to starting the LE Apprentice Course.

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I never had the pleasure to attend ABGD/ABD as a student at either Bullis or Dix, but I did volunteer OPFOR activities at Dix in the late 80s. I also had two fun rotations to GCRES (VOLANT SCORPION) at Little Rock as a fireteam leader, too.


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YUP been to Ft. Dix in Feb 1993, graduated the day of the first twin towers attack.

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When I was at Dix for level one... about Dec of 88 or early 89, we were still using live fire courses... even for bounding, if you can imagine that with cherries. Anyway, in the group of trainees ahead of mine there was a nasty rumor... that the training instructors, refused to comment on, that a troop had been killed. Supposedely he was shot in the back because his bounding overwatch group had incorrectly done maneuvers and were confused as to what they were shooting at. There had been many courses with pop-ups, if any of you recall... Most of us thought the story was untrue and used to scare us into being careful, but the classes behind me stopped using the live fire course for this part of training. Anyone ever hear about this?

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I was at Camp Bulllis, Texas, ABGD from January 86 - March 86, Alpha Flight. Also did a stint as Cadre at "Volant Scorpion", Little Rock AFB, Arkansas 89-90


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Maguai said:

When I was at Dix for level one... about Dec of 88 or early 89, we were still using live fire courses... even for bounding, if you can imagine that with cherries. Anyway, in the group of trainees ahead of mine there was a nasty rumor... that the training instructors, refused to comment on, that a troop had been killed. Supposedely he was shot in the back because his bounding overwatch group had incorrectly done maneuvers and were confused as to what they were shooting at. There had been many courses with pop-ups, if any of you recall... Most of us thought the story was untrue and used to scare us into being careful, but the classes behind me stopped using the live fire course for this part of training. Anyone ever hear about this?

When I went through ABGD in 1993, I recall hearing the stories of someone that was shot doing that night live fire lowcrawl course.


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I went to Fort DIx ABGD in 1993. Then I went to GCRES Commando Warrior in Olson AB Korea. Im tossed as to which place sucked more.....New Jersey or Korea


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I was at Bullis in 1986 just prior to going to Europe went TDY that was a blast could come and go as I pleased as long as I was there for class what a party, learned alot too

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Camp Bullis in 1979 and Violant Scorpion in the 1980's  alway on a 44 man team at all my asignments

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I had the priviledge of attending camp Bullis two times.  The first time in 1966 for tech school, then again in 1968 for combat preparedness prior to shipping out for Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam.  Lone Star beer was popular there.

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I had the priviledge of attending camp Bullis two times.  The first time in 1966 for tech school, then again in 1968 for combat preparedness prior to shipping out for Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam.  Lone Star beer was popular there.



I served with quite a few 'old timers' (which is what I'd be now if I were still in...LOL) that served during Nam.  I'm glad you made it out, I'm proud of you, and honestly, having heard about the things that happened to you guys back then... I'm glad it wasn't me. I'm just saying, for those of you Security Forces that aren't familiar with the history... well... read up and learn. 

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Attended ABGD in 1976 before I went on a 12 month remote to Campion ACWS, Alaska.  I was the only cop on the site and had to work with a full augmentee force of radar techs, cooks, supply and admin folks.  Interesting experience :-)  Got to use the training a couple of times as we worked with US Army folks during a winter exercise.  It was interesting later on as the weather warmed up and we found a lot of left over ammo that had either been buried or just left.


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Never went ABGD school ( it was at Bullis in my day) but was awarded a 327 SEI when I got to Little Rock in 84. My 1st time going out in the field was as a E-4 Buck Sgt and fire team leader. Talk about Baptism by fire, I was clueless having never done any ABGD before. I remember when Volant Scorpion was part of our unit ( 314th SPS), and then they became their own unit ( 1314th GCRES), back in the days of Col ( Capt back then) Rocky Lane. I went to Volant Scorpion 7 times ( it was an evaluation, not a school).Can't say it was fun at the time but looking back we really had a blast.

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I went to Camp Bullis too, then we had a refresher In Osan, South Korea called Commando Warrior. Talk about a cluster F*** of fun! HUA!

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I went to Camp Bullis too, then we had a refresher In Osan, South Korea called Commando Warrior. Talk about a cluster F*** of fun! HUA!



I went to Commando Warrier at Osan, Korea. Yup....just a blast!!! NOT!!


But I did get a cool Mink Blanket while I was there.


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Way back when a long time ago we were called sat. Security attack teams. We were 3 man teams that work during the hours of darkness and most of the time around the outer limits of the instalation.

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Went to Ft Dix for ABGD, taught by Army Rangers then went back as a 44 man team to Air Warfare Center taught by AF also @ Ft Dix jeez that placed sucked

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Maguai says ...


When I was at Dix for level one... about Dec of 88 or early 89, we were still using live fire courses... even for bounding, if you can imagine that with cherries. Anyway, in the group of trainees ahead of mine there was a nasty rumor... that the training instructors, refused to comment on, that a troop had been killed. Supposedely he was shot in the back because his bounding overwatch group had incorrectly done maneuvers and were confused as to what they were shooting at. There had been many courses with pop-ups, if any of you recall... Most of us thought the story was untrue and used to scare us into being careful, but the classes behind me stopped using the live fire course for this part of training. Anyone ever hear about this?

I went through Level 1 there in the 80's, Level 2 and instructor there in the 90's.


The 'rumor' about an Airman being killed during Squad Live Fire is absolutely true, and you're correct that we stopped using that course shortly after. The Army basics continued using it, but not Air Force. Several Army Cadre bit the dust over that incident, including the Platoon Leader. It was determined (right or wrong) that the NCO in charge of that group of Airman lost control of the Fire Team he was responsible for.


Now, the other incident was at the Night Infiltration Course (right next to the dreaded Beach) :) and yes, that one is true as well. However, it wasn't Airmen on the course, it was Army basic trainees. I never read the actual report on that one, but my understanding is that a M-60 mount broke and before the Cadre could grab the gun, the barrel dipped and dropped a few rounds onto the course. I have run those 60's many times and I can see how it could have happened. They did put safety precautions in place after that happened. By the way, those 60 rounds weren't coming nearly as close to you as they seemed. :)

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Went to it at Camp Bullis and later taught it after we brought it back from Ft Dix. Never had to go to Ft Dix.

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Went to Ft Dix for ABGD, taught by Army Rangers then went back as a 44 man team to Air Warfare Center taught by AF also @ Ft Dix jeez that placed sucked



Well.... just for full disclosure, no it wasn't really taught by Army Rangers. We did have a number of Rangers working there, both Army and Air Force, but 90% of the Cadre were not Ranger qualified. In fact, in the later years we started getting less than the Armys best, which is one reason we took the program back and moved it to Bullis. There were actually more Ranger school grads teaching at Bullis after the move than there were at Dix.


 


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After LE Tech School I attended Level 1 at Fort Dix in September '89 then went back again in '95 for the Air Warfare Training Center before going to Kunsan, Korea for FOAL Eagle. Before going back in '95 our squad also had the privilege to weather a bad storm at Camp Bullis to prepare for the other two events.


HATED IT!!! But, looking back at it now - THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!!


Does anyone on here know what happened to Ranger Harper? I have never met an instructor like him and had the privilege of toting the M-60 under his watch during both trips.


 

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 Yes, Camp Bullis for m-60 school then Fort Dix for ABGD level 1 April 1988


 

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 Yep I sure did. Camp Bullis Texas. That is why I avoid Texas to this day.


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