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Should I stay Military, or get out and go LE

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Glock_tiger_17_max50

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Posted about 7 years ago

 

As with most of you that know me, Im stil in the Air Force. Im due to get out in may of 08. Now my plans were going great, matter of fact ive got a dept lined up and a position almost in hand. Then last week while i was in FL doing some .50 cal qualifications for my guys i got a call from my sup telling me i made E-5 ( Staff Sergeant ). Now, I've been saying for a while no matter what im getting out and going into civil LE....But now im not so sure. Ive wanted to be a LEO for a REALLY long time. However if i were to stay in, finish my 20 and get at 39 y.o., I think i could still be marketable; especialy for the federal side if i were so inclined. So I really need some advice here. I have to put aside all the excitment of the moment and look down the long road ahead. I always introduce myself as one of the best Instructors in the Air Force. I prove it time and time again with the success of my students and there capability to kick ass down range. Im just really not sure as to what I want, as well as need to do. Any help would be greatly appriciated.


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Water_lilies_max50

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Stay in and do your 20+. Get that retirement and benefits. Tricare for life. It's money in the bank.

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Stay for your twenty. Then go into L.E. When all is said and done you'll be getting two pensions and living large! Good Luck.

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I had this debate with my nephew 2 years ago. He had 14 years in the Navy. I told him one more enlistment and you can retire at 40. He later told me, they waved that $25k check in my face, gave me the school and duty station I wanted, so I reupped. The best part is he didn't sell his house in MD in time to go, so the mortgage company bought it for a $170k profit. You can do the 20 and still come out and realize your dream of pursuing a LEO career. Bottom line, you must follow your heart, and do what is best for you and your family. Best of luck with whatever path you choose. Thank You for your service to our Country.

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Well when i found out, i called up my dad. he is former AF back during " tha Nam" as he calls it. He told me when he found out he made E5 he still got out and went to school. nows he makin over 100Gs. and he also said he gets pissed off each time he runs into a 38 or 39 y.o. " young fella" thats makin 20- 25K a year sittin on his butt doing whatever he wants for part time jobs, and playin golf everyday. I thought that sounded good to me. But the real question is. Is 39/40 to old to go into civil or federal LE?


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I was in 85-90. USAF SPLE. Made E-5 and got out. Loved the USAF, but love the civilian side of LE more.

For the LE age question. To be a federal agent you cannot be older then 37 at the time of hire.
For local, county and state. All are different some have no age limit some do.
I have know people in their 50's start their LEO career and are doing fine.
We have also hired retired military where I work and they are doing great!


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Congrads on your E-5 promotion, I would keep ur wap bank on an E-9 and fold after 20. It's hard if your married but if you have a supportive wife you can stay the term. I met a few of you pigeons I still call friends. You have the skills as a worthwhile instructor you will move along fast. Good luck

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Thanks to everyones replys. it is a major turning point for me. alot of thought needs to be put into it. I guess I could flip a coin.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

CHECK ON THE BENNIES FOR THE DEPARTMENT YOU WILL BE GETTING THE JOB WITH AND COMPARE THEM WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE MILTARY. ASLO YOU HAVE RETIREMENT WITH THE MILITARY SO KEEP YOUR OPTIONS OPEN AND GOOD LUCK.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

oldsple said:

I was in 85-90. USAF SPLE. Made E-5 and got out. Loved the USAF, but love the civilian side of LE more.

For the LE age question. To be a federal agent you cannot be older then 37 at the time of hire.
For local, county and state. All are different some have no age limit some do.
I have know people in their 50's start their LEO career and are doing fine.
We have also hired retired military where I work and they are doing great!

Hit it right on the head a position with the federal government with what we call a covered position is mandatory maximum age of 37. Cover position means twenty year retirement with the heavy hitters FBI, ATF, Secret Service. However there are other federal "police" careers out there. They are not covered by the 20 year and out.

If you like the military hang out due the time and get a nice check and still do pretty much whatever you want. In PA most departments are uping the maximum age and the age can be expanded even more with military service.

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I think you should go LE because it has a great retirement plan and benefits. Everything you need for your family, if you're a family man

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well im single right now. have a girlfriend. but thats about as far as it goes.


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YES, you will still be able to go into civil LE. I went through the academy with a guy that put in 25 years in the Marines as an MP (with numerous ratings for other skills; recon qual, scout sniper, combat swimmer, airborn, ect. ect. ect.) he now works for a dept. that he started working for 2 weeks after academy graduation. Also check into the MESEP program. It will allow you to get your colledge education paid for in full while serving active duty. Only catch is you have to give them 4 more years. If you plan on making your 20 then it would be well worth it. Plus you'd get the lifetime benifits because you retired full term. Good luck on your decision. SEMPER FI


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1. Non-comms don't make that great of a pension until you hit E7 or better or accept a commission.
2. A college degree is increasingly an important resume item. You can just about punch your own ticket in any agency in LEO-land.
3. Many agencies provide a retirement at 50 years old. You can promote well and then walk away with just 90+% of your salary and THEN go kick into another career.


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As good as i am I should have no Problem making E7. no problem at all Matter fact i'd make E6 by 10 years im almost certain. however, The thrill of gaining backa bit of freedom being out and working for a dept somewhere would be nice. I dont have a degree yet. I can take 7 clep tests and have my associates through the Air Force college.


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Very cool ... you are on it !!!


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But my whole debate is what path i should take.. I mean i'd like to be out, have a steady sorta life. not have to deploy anymore. But the other half wants the deploy and be in the war zone where ever it is. Not to mention gettin retirement pay at 39 years old and then start in LE. I mean i wouldnt have to worry about the money at that point.... but again, if i got out and started my LE carrer now. i'd have a pretty decent retirement then too. ARGH!! what to do.
I know this may seem miniscule to some, but it really is a big carrer decision for me.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

You've got a lot of good information here to consider. As for me, I got out of the Air Force Dec '92 as an E-4 Sergeant. I did four years in the sheriff's department as corrections, process server and ultimately as a police officer. In '97 I was hired by the city police where I now have ten years under my belt. My friend stayed in and is now a Senior Master Sergeant with twenty years in. We entered the Air Force at about the same time. I miss the Air Force but I don't regret getting out when I did. Also, at my department you must be no older than thirty-five by your date of hire.
Good Luck Methodeous

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

If you stay in, you'll be headed over to the desert regularly. K-9 is in great demand as you know. The #1 thing the military has got going for it NOW is medical/retirement benefits. But I have to worry in 18 more years are those going to still be there? Look at Congress and they mull over our retirement benefits each session. Our lobbyists do a great job of keeping our benefits alive but the penny pinching is coming. Having said that, you've got until next year to make the decision. Why don't you weigh your options as is comes closer to the time you are getting out. Get your school done ASAP and you'll be in a better position to negotiate. If you re-enlist, don't do in the states. Do it in the desert where you're re-enlistment bonus will be tax-free.

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Methodeus, My whole life i wanted to be a cop. Could think of nothing else. When i turned 19, i joined the Marine Corps. I also loved every bit of the military. Sure the months at a time in the field were rough, and the 9 months i spent overseas were tough as well due to me being away from my wife, But throughout all of that, I still loved the military. No matter what though all i thought about was being a cop. I spent 8 years in the Marine Corps then got out to pursue my dream. Now, 8 years later, i still love being a cop but deeply regret getting out of the Marines. Like NYPDLieutenant said, stay in and receive both pensions. I wish i did. And depending on your age after 20 years, if you're still young enough, what do you have to lose.

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The best way i know to look at this question is if you get out now when you are 39 you will ask yourself why in the hell did i do that, i have never heard of someone that put 20 yerars in, then become a cop, say i wish i would have left the service and became a cop earlier.
at least not someone your age.

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best of luck in your choice.
can't think of anyone that would falt you on the choice you make.

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I didn't have time to read all of these but, have you thought about continuing to do your time in the guard or reserve and becoming an LE. That's what I'm planning on doing. Gotta go. Stay safe brother

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meth , you know you're dear to my heart . i have never been military , but i do believe in doing what i feel deep inside . the mere fact that you are questioning not leaving should let you know that you still have ties to what you are doing now and you are not ready to leave . at 39 yrs , there are plenty of dept.s that will take you so go with what's deep inside . i regret not going to law school , but i had kids to take care of after a divorce so my choice was clear . i had to do what i had to do . goals and dreams are interchangeable to me . congrats on the promotion , attain your goals in the military then follow your dream................


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everyone has very valled points. I appriciate everyones input. Ive been to Iraq a few times already and dont really ever see an end to our wonderful adventures over there. Just wish something kick a$$ would come along thats LE related that paid like.... 100K. LOL, then the choice would be so clear. Of course its not all about the money, but that has a big deciding factor..


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NYPDLieutenant said:

Stay for your twenty. Then go into L.E. When all is said and done you'll be getting two pensions and living large! Good Luck.

That is the way to go!!

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meth, to answer your statement about wishing there was some sort of LE that paid 100k, there is. DYNCORP hires people as security and consultants to go to iraq or afghanistan for a year at a time. the iraq job pays approx. $130,000 a year and afghanistan pays $118,000 a year. the good news is that it is all tax free. I know you have to have at least 5 years LE experience, but i'm not sure about the military experience.

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No one can or should tell you what you need to do, it is something you have to decide for yourself. I will tell you my thoughts though so that you may make an educated decision. How many years do you have until you will get your 20? I know for the Army, you will get a lot more money at 25 years, so you must consider that. Do you enjoy your job and the possibility of deploying frequently to dangerous, God-aweful places? Do you want to settle down and raise a family in a stable environment? You must realize that if you stay in, you will move every 2-3 years and if you get married, it will be very hard on your wife, let alone when you get deployed. The benefits and pay are very nice, especially when you have put in your time and no longer have to work to be paid the big bucks. And, the Chair Force.... oops, sorry, typo.... Air Force certainly takes care of it's Airmen much more than the Army does. We have a former Airman in my unit and he wishes he stayed in the AF. How much do you want a career in LE? LE would give you a stable home life without worry about deployments, and if you find what you enjoy, can be a very fun, rewarding job. Personally, I am getting out after my 3 and getting into LE, but Korea has kind of soured me on the military. I know the real Army isn't like Korea. Anyways, realize that the way things are now might not stay that way, especially if you bring family into the picture.

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methodeous said:

As good as i am I should have no Problem making E7. no problem at all Matter fact i'd make E6 by 10 years im almost certain. however, The thrill of gaining backa bit of freedom being out and working for a dept somewhere would be nice. I dont have a degree yet. I can take 7 clep tests and have my associates through the Air Force college.

E-6 in ten years! At the rate you are going, you should make Chief by the time you make 20.

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What about OSI?

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