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Due to the shooting of the officer in St. Louis, several discussions have popped up between some civilians, other officers and deputies. One of the statements was that in criminal offenses the age limit to be charged as an adult should be changed to 16. One officer I have spoken to in the past even stated that he had heard of a state that was trying to change it to 15 due to the severe crimes committed by juveniles under 18. In our area and in the cities and counties in Ky, alot of the crime in general has decreased, however the violance involve in greater, ie.. the amount of assualts has decreased, but the one that have occured have been so severe that they are upgraded to felony status. More guns, clubs and knifes and more of the offenders are juveniles. I'm curious what the general status is in other states and if in fact there is a state out there that is changeing the age limit.

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I think he should be extra crispy. He is old enough to know what he did. He took the life of a brother now the state should take his.


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This is a tough one. I would shoot an armed teenager if I had to........but would I condemn one for years to come, for Capital Murder? I'm torn.

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AdrenalineJunkie said:

This is a tough one. I would shoot an armed teenager if I had to........but would I condemn one for years to come, for Capital Murder? I'm torn.

How would you feel if it were your partner?


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We need to bring back hangings as a punishment for cop killers, even the juvenile ones.


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Wasn't the guy 15? Doesn't matter!! He knew what he was doing, he had the gun!!! Thing is, it is all gang related, i am not sure about your areas, but with school starting soon, this area is getting flooded with gang members wanting to get thier tat's and colors to have on display at school. So we are back to shooting a cop, robbing, killing someone and so on. The old saying is an eye for an eye.. If he is old enough to carry out the act the he is old enought to be judged by that act..

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Point taken, no mercy!

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I know there is a huge difference in who people are in early teens as to who they are as adults. If each one of us look back , this was a time in our lives where stupid was our middle names...Where we learned our limits,,,and pushed them sometimes before learning them. There is definitely a difference between being an adult and a teen .

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babeblu said:

I know there is a huge difference in who people are in early teens as to who they are as adults. If each one of us look back , this was a time in our lives where stupid was our middle names...Where we learned our limits,,,and pushed them sometimes before learning them. There is definitely a difference between being an adult and a teen .

Are you a LEO ?


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babeblu said:

I know there is a huge difference in who people are in early teens as to who they are as adults. If each one of us look back , this was a time in our lives where stupid was our middle names...Where we learned our limits,,,and pushed them sometimes before learning them. There is definitely a difference between being an adult and a teen .

yes we all have made stupid mistakes in our lives, But I never shot a cop never even thought of it. Hell I was shooting bulls eyes since i was 8 years old. But never ever would I have picked up a gun, walk around with it for protection and then shoot a cop. Come on now!!! The only mistake here is a lack of parenting, If you were up on what your child is doing then things like this would never happen!!

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A mistake is wrapping a house and mudding on a golf course green those are mistakes. Shooting a police officer is not a mistake.


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babeblu, your statements begs the question. How can you be that obtuse in your observasions? Not everyone was raised in a middle America type setting. Some of these "kids" down here in South Central Los Angeles are straight up KILLERS by age12! I have taken guns off of 12 year olds and arrested 14 year olds for murder, who are just as savy as any "adult" I have arrested. I just arrested a 19 year old gang member who had a gun on him at the time and was wanted for the murder of a 9 year old girl, which occurred over 3 years ago, when he was 15! He stated to me that the only reason he didn't take out his weapon and shoot at my partner and I is because I was on him like white on rice and he was to scared to take the gun out of his pocket! Of corse, while chasing him I was articulating that his mother would have a closed casket for him if he pulled out that gun, which we suspected he had on him, but that's a story for another day. Bottom line is he knew he was in the wrong then and he knew he was in the wrong 3 years ago when he killed that little girl, and statements like yours are clearly oblivious to the reality we in the ghetto's are faced with. Please educate yourself to the reality of violence and the fact that these kids have much more violence in the video games they are playing than we did as kids. And they are numb to violence nowadays! And to make a statement like yours is just mind boggling! I knew at 14 that stealing gum was wrong, let alone killing a Police Officer! You make a descision to kill someone from 14 and up, you should be tried as an adult, and HUNG like the POS you are! I am going to post a piece in the news in about 5 minutes about a situation out here in LA, that most of you in LE should be aware of when it comes to the political winds! It's called " What Cops Have to Put Up With -- Again" Stay Safe Warriors... Ed O'Shea


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You are right on AdrenalinesWife!


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Tx_LawMan said:

A mistake is wrapping a house and mudding on a golf course green those are mistakes. Shooting a police officer is not a mistake.

I agree, based on the discussions I've had the thought is that if it is a serious felony or a capital offense drop it to 16 or even 15. A minor dump s--t mistake is one thing, but with all the current T.V. , movies and video games kids are more up on right and wrong by the time their 13 much less what I knew at that age. I've seen some of these "teenagers" give a detective a run for their money. I'm a father, and I'm worried what kind of state the world is going to be in by the time he's 16 and thats 10 years from now.

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merlin said:


Tx_LawMan said:


A mistake is wrapping a house and mudding on a golf course green those are mistakes. Shooting a police officer is not a mistake.


I agree, based on the discussions I've had the thought is that if it is a serious felony or a capital offense drop it to 16 or even 15. A minor dump s--t mistake is one thing, but with all the current T.V. , movies and video games kids are more up on right and wrong by the time their 13 much less what I knew at that age. I've seen some of these "teenagers" give a detective a run for their money. I'm a father, and I'm worried what kind of state the world is going to be in by the time he's 16 and thats 10 years from now.


I work for a ISD police dept. these kids are getting worse and worse.


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You go brother ! That's what I'm talking about and seeing.

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I lost a very good friend Deputy Andy Taylor,,,shot between the eyes on a routine traffic stop,,,,I had no pitty for the punk that took my friend from me.. and equally as much anger at where his family was when the lesson was taught about where to point a weapon ! !
The point was simply that thank God and Goodness my children had a very solid foundation, knew who to respect, and how to be responsible citizens.
Many of these Punk teens out there don't even have the basic tools to know the difference between taking a life..and taking a piece of bubble gum. And they are put out in the world without any benefit or knowledge of where these roads will take them, their peers make it sound all cool to go to jail,,blood and gore is the norm in their world.. We as an adult society raise the dogs and blame them when they bite !....People wonder why so many of todays criminals are children....the apples don't fall far from the tree...but if the tree bears rotten fruit ..the fruit is to blame? To answer the question...no I am not a LEO , I am the person in the youth camps holding these kids down pushing med's down their throats, watching them spend birthdays and Christmas with no family to visit them cuz moms in a crack house somewhere and dad (who's that ???? ).....

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It is in New York State. Anyone 16 years or older gets charged and sentenced as an Adult. Depending on the crime, they may get a Youthful Offender status, that has an effect on what shows up on their records. But a 16 year old arrested for robbery gets treated the same as a 40 year old here.

In some cases, the same is true for 14 and 15 year olds.

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I lost a very good friend Deputy Andy Taylor,,,shot between the eyes on a routine traffic stop,,,,I had no pitty for the punk that took my friend from me.. and equally as much anger at where his family was when the lesson was taught about where to point a weapon ! !
The point was simply that thank God and Goodness my children had a very solid foundation, knew who to respect, and how to be responsible citizens.
Many of these Punk teens out there don't even have the basic tools to know the difference between taking a life..and taking a piece of bubble gum. And they are put out in the world without any benefit or knowledge of where these roads will take them, their peers make it sound all cool to go to jail,,blood and gore is the norm in their world.. We as an adult society raise the dogs and blame them when they bite !....People wonder why so many of todays criminals are children....the apples don't fall far from the tree...but if the tree bears rotten fruit ..the fruit is to blame? To answer the question...no I am not a LEO , I am the person in the youth camps holding these kids down pushing med's down their throats, watching them spend birthdays and Christmas with no family to visit them cuz moms in a crack house somewhere and dad (who's that ???? ).....

I can see your piont from your view of the situation and what you say probably works for where you are at, and yes I do see situations where I'd rather lock up the parent and throw away the key. However % wise, the majority of our problems are from teenagers with parents living in $200,000.00 homes and up. Now what do you do?

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AZmeangreen said:

We need to bring back hangings as a punishment for cop killers, even the juvenile ones.

Yeah, what he said!!!


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SMW4747 said:

It is in New York State. Anyone 16 years or older gets charged and sentenced as an Adult. Depending on the crime, they may get a Youthful Offender status, that has an effect on what shows up on their records. But a 16 year old arrested for robbery gets treated the same as a 40 year old here.

In some cases, the same is true for 14 and 15 year olds.

You may have been the state the officer I talked to was refering to. I like it !

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Money doesn't have anything to do with it. it is the up bringing. yes thier is pear pressure out there, but if you ( Excuse the french) give a shit about you children and are involved in thier lives. Not saying my son/daughter wouldn't do that. Play an active part of thier lives and show interest thenmaybe we wouldn't have these problems. I know i had 2 parents and a grandparent that were very active in my life. I wouldn't be where i am today if it wasn't for the morals and manners my grandfather taught me as I was growing up.

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It's a very common misconception that $$$ makes the parent ! most that have the $200,000.00 income are the very ones that can afford the lawyer needed to keep their brat on the streets..While the one with out council or parents or a public defender that gives a hoot are the ones that are re victimized by the system and later become a problem for the citizens due to being raised up in a system where they have much to learn and more hardened criminals to learn from...it is indeed an endless and sad cycle.

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babeblu said:

I lost a very good friend Deputy Andy Taylor,,,shot between the eyes on a routine traffic stop,,,,I had no pitty for the punk that took my friend from me.. and equally as much anger at where his family was when the lesson was taught about where to point a weapon ! !
The point was simply that thank God and Goodness my children had a very solid foundation, knew who to respect, and how to be responsible citizens.
Many of these Punk teens out there don't even have the basic tools to know the difference between taking a life..and taking a piece of bubble gum. And they are put out in the world without any benefit or knowledge of where these roads will take them, their peers make it sound all cool to go to jail,,blood and gore is the norm in their world.. We as an adult society raise the dogs and blame them when they bite !....People wonder why so many of todays criminals are children....the apples don't fall far from the tree...but if the tree bears rotten fruit ..the fruit is to blame? To answer the question...no I am not a LEO , I am the person in the youth camps holding these kids down pushing med's down their throats, watching them spend birthdays and Christmas with no family to visit them cuz moms in a crack house somewhere and dad (who's that ???? ).....

I do understand that these kids come from very bad homes, but they still know what is right and wrong, legal and illegal. A child at some point in their life has to make a decision what path they will take. After then it is no one's fault but their own where their life goes. My father came from a horrible childhood of abuse, poverty and moving from orphanage to orphanage. His brothers and sisters, for the most part, decided they wanted to live off the government for the remainder of their lives. My dad, worked during the day, got an education at night, and now works for an oil company.

People need to stop using their childhood as an excuse for their wrongdoings. If you are a minority, or under privledged then you have a better chance than the middle class. There are more scholarships and grants and funding out there for someone less fortunate. There is NO EXCUSE. Most just choose the "easier path", and again that is their CHOICE!!


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My only bitch is the needle is to nice they were not nice to the people they kill. They should feel it like their victims felt it. I am tired of hearing poor poor bad guy he did not meen it. Well what about the Officer I am tired of reading the headlines Officer Down. Down with the TURDS.


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AdrenalinesWife said:

Doesn't really matter how much the parents make does it? Imo its the child that did the crime not the money that did.

It may, a little.

The poor, who are told by their moron leaders that it's everyone fault but their own, for the most part have no desire to make their lives better, and as such, don't care when they get arrested. They have nothing to loose.

The rich think and many times, can, buy their way out of trouble.

It's the middle class that have the most to loose by being arrest, and as such, are probably less likely to get involved in stupid shit that will get them locked up.

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HI TX......I agree the choices are there to be made...in a perfect world parents would be parents and children would grow up healthy and happy ! My father and your father have much in common ,,mine was raised in an orphanage in Alamogordo NM and grew up as a product of the streets....And made a success of his life....I also know that a brain capable of comprehending something at 16 is alot different than the adult comprehension of the same situation in later years....It is sad to think there is no going back from choices made from minds not even old enough to totally grasp the entire picture of the consequences ,,,,
Example...my nephew...an outstanding student, outstanding athlete ,,fantastic attentive parents..
made a mistake at 16 that changed his life....
He failed to study for an important test...he and some friends got together and decided to write a bomb threat on the bathroom wall,,,at the time of that class..thinking it would get them out of class that period and miss the test.
The bomb threat was reported....the law showed up...the bomb squad emptied the school,,,
He was arrested , sent to juvi,,,kicked out of athletics all of his friends were athletes,,,met alot of new friends in juvi....and now is a full blown addict at 17 years old....The decissions made to take what he cared about most at 16 and what he felt defined him(at 16) cost him,,,his parents,,society....If he had understood the full consequenses of his actions at the time the whole situation would have never happened.... this is a minor example of how a chain of events in a teenagers world is so different in an adults world...In the adult world, his mind would have been on so much more than defining himself by his peer group. As teenagers we all defined ourselves in different ways,,but always affected by our surroundings to some aspect. And for the biggest part of us it plays a large roll in who we come to be as adults.ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE...and there is alot of the weak ones out there affecting everyone. I wish I knew the answers,,and now that I am in my early 40's my children are out of the house and productive citizens , I am able to look at them as they were as teens,and thank God we are thru all that !

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babeblu said:

HI TX......I agree the choices are there to be made...in a perfect world parents would be parents and children would grow up healthy and happy ! My father and your father have much in common ,,mine was raised in an orphanage in Alamogordo NM and grew up as a product of the streets....And made a success of his life....I also know that a brain capable of comprehending something at 16 is alot different than the adult comprehension of the same situation in later years....It is sad to think there is no going back from choices made from minds not even old enough to totally grasp the entire picture of the consequences ,,,,
Example...my nephew...an outstanding student, outstanding athlete ,,fantastic attentive parents..
made a mistake at 16 that changed his life....
He failed to study for an important test...he and some friends got together and decided to write a bomb threat on the bathroom wall,,,at the time of that class..thinking it would get them out of class that period and miss the test.
The bomb threat was reported....the law showed up...the bomb squad emptied the school,,,
He was arrested , sent to juvi,,,kicked out of athletics all of his friends were athletes,,,met alot of new friends in juvi....and now is a full blown addict at 17 years old....The decissions made to take what he cared about most at 16 and what he felt defined him(at 16) cost him,,,his parents,,society....If he had understood the full consequenses of his actions at the time the whole situation would have never happened.... this is a minor example of how a chain of events in a teenagers world is so different in an adults world...In the adult world, his mind would have been on so much more than defining himself by his peer group. As teenagers we all defined ourselves in different ways,,but always affected by our surroundings to some aspect. And for the biggest part of us it plays a large roll in who we come to be as adults.ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE...and there is alot of the weak ones out there affecting everyone. I wish I knew the answers,,and now that I am in my early 40's my children are out of the house and productive citizens , I am able to look at them as they were as teens,and thank God we are thru all that !

I agree 100%, but tell that to the parents! All we get is that it wasn't my child or they wouldn't do that. But as soon as thier child is found shot, is arrested or is dead, we didn't do our job. It is easy to blame us becuase they don't want to accept the role of being a parent.

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My only bitch is the needle is to nice they were not nice to the people they kill. They should feel it like their victims felt it. I am tired of hearing poor poor bad guy he did not meen it. Well what about the Officer I am tired of reading the headlines Officer Down. Down with the TURDS.

You know why you hear that? Beause the biggest arguement is that poor them for what ever of a hundred reasons and the cop, "Well he chose to be one, he knew the dangers, if they cant take it then they shouldnt be cops. " I was hit with that quote from a "quote" high member of the community after we almost lost our SRT team due to cuts in our budget.

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I have a good one!! I was in a court room with a judge that use to be a defence attorney. A case for assault on a police officer was being heard. Aggravated assault here in PA. It was a non-jury trial so the judge was presiding on the case. The Officer was hurt bad but nothing serious. When it was all said and done the charge was busted down to a simple assault and the judge's reason for that was that an Officer should expect it because it is a part of his duty.

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