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Should new hires be required to have college degrees.

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I honestly say no a degree does not show what kind of officer you are. I have hardly any college hours muchless a degree. I love my career eventhough I am dealing with crap here I love being a police officer. I have to deal with a dinky dept because I do not have the required college most dept's want.


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Stats show that departments get better recruits when they have degrees, but I for one I had to work hard to get where I'm at today and I consider myself to be a superior Officer with no college degree at all. I was the black sheep....dropped out of High School in 11th grade, went from a lazy ass teenager to a hard working father and husband, got my GED, worked 6 days a week while going to Police Academy night classes 5 days a week for 9 months, and after achieving my goal have worked for 2 Departments, and am now a Patrol Cpl. for one of the best Sheriff Departments in Texas, all without a college degree........by the way my hat's off to any one who has achieved a degree, I know it wasn't handed to them on a silver platter.

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They should be required to either have at least a 2 yr degree OR military OR prior service. Now yes I think they should have a minimum 2 yr degree for promotion to Sgt.

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Robocop33 said:

They should be required to either have at least a 2 yr degree OR military OR prior service. Now yes I think they should have a minimum 2 yr degree for promotion to Sgt.

Robo do you honeslty think a piece of paper makes a police officer. I did the same as AdrenalineJunkie I busted me rump to get my certification. I have to say I feel I am a good cop just held down by the brass.


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There is a quote that was told to me many years ago by an educated veteran cop and police chief. I think it is valid: "An education won't make a bad cop good, but it does make a good cop better."

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What does a degree show? You went to school, can pass a test and have some knowledge of Criminal Justice. Hey maybe the degree isn't even in the field. Such as history or basket weaving.

Lets look at this, If you were a Chief of Police or the person in charge of hiring. What would you rather have? Someone who has worked the streets, came right out of high school picked up this profession because he loved it and has a passion for it and has spent the past 6 years working the worst neighborhood you can think of, or someone that has just compleated college and has a college degree?

Don't get me wrong getting a degree is great!! Been there ,done that, but to pass over someone with experience or make it a requirement before you can apply, doesn't makes sence to me. A person should be judged on not only on him/her as a person but experience and so on. Just because someone doesn't have a degree doesn't mean he/she wouldn't be a good cop.

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I think in order to get on the job you should not be required to have a degree. Not even a two year degree because you learn the basics in the Academy. The rest you learn from experience on the streets, but you hardly ever apply what you learned in college to the streets. However, I also feel that once you are on the job and you want to move up in ranks or go to a special unit, then you should have a degree that is related to that field, ex., forensics. Just because you have a college degree(s) doesn't necessarily mean you are smart.

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DetSgtDarryl-- Do you think so? I think all of you so far have made excellent points. Speaking for myself , in order to assist LEOs, had to go back to school and earn a masters degree then my license . Personnally, I still believe in the good ole common sense rule. So is it a question of street smart vs. book smart?

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Funny this question should pop up. I have hit a roadblock in my life because of this very thing. I think college degrees should be left for the people are going to use them. 80% of Government agencies require you to have a degree to even apply. If that rule is passed down to the local levels I feel the departments would suffer more than ever before.

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BLG said:

DetSgtDarryl-- Do you think so? I think all of you so far have made excellent points. Speaking for myself , in order to assist LEOs, had to go back to school and earn a masters degree then my license . Personnally, I still believe in the good ole common sense rule. So is it a question of street smart vs. book smart?

Its definitely street smart! You can have a PhD., but if you have no street smarts or common sense and the only way you can function is through text book knowledge then you are a danger to yourself and your partner in this field.

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To answer the question about does a collage degree make a good cop, the answer is no. As Richard pointed out though, it makes a better cop. This is why I said they should have either prior service OR a military background. Actually I would prefer a military background to a degree. Now yes I do want the Officer to get a degree in order to be promoted and degree should be either Criminal Justice or pre-law. This shows a couple of things to me. The Officer is dedicated enough to want to learn his craft and all that will be required in the legal areas, that is after all, what we are involved in, legalities. Gone are the days when you simply hired some big tough SOB that could bust heads. Lest you forget, I am from that era and I have personal experience. For the most part they were damn good cops, but they were not very good leaders or administrators and the supervisors need that knowledge now. Even was back 30 plus years ago some of the larger and more professional departments required everyone to take a course in supervision and management for consideration for promotion. We are professionals. Just because you have the paper doesn't mean you are qualified, but it means at least you have the drive to excel in your chosen profession.

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BLG and all, yes you do need street smarts. You need that to survive and that is why there is a probationary period where you can learn and show that you have them. You need both street smarts and book smarts now. Getting someone off the streets and into jail doesn't do a damn bit of good if because you screwed up he is back on the street before you finish your paperwork!

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Hey Robocop33, what do you say about the people starting out fresh and haven't been to the military and do not have prior service but has a passion for their field and the potential to excel. Would you give them a chance or would you require some experience or a paper before you were comfortable bringing them on the job?

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See I agree with Robocop, My husband has 17 years on the street, he has been through all kind of training, he has worked in some really bad neighborhoods, has letters of commendation the list goes on. But when he applied to one agency he was told that his experience didn't matter they wanted the degree. Wouldn't you want a street cop who knows what he is doing over someone right out of college? I know I would...

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I say go to collage and get a 2 yr degree. You can also work as a reserve officer until then to get your experiance. Desire and passion alone does not ensure you will succeed. I have a desire to be able to fly but my fat butt isn't going to take to the air no matter how hard I flap my arms. I actually think the best thing to do would be to join the military where you learn disipline and how to operate in a military manner.

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I definitely want a street cop who knows what he's doing but everone has to start somewhere, right? I'm not saying never accomplish that college degree but I don't think it should be mandated to get started. So the young potential officers who want to be in this field and would be good for the streets shouldn't be given a chance because they don't have that piece of paper?

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No, I do not think a college degree should be a requirement for hiring. SImply for the fact you don't take into account those people who are officers from other agencies. Experience is key foremost. I agree with Robocop33 a degree does not make you qualified but it does show you have a desire to better yourself in your chosen career. I think more departments should offer tuition reimbursement programs. My dept. paid for my Masters. Believe me, I didn't want to go back to school but I did it to make myself for marketable and shoot if they were paying... I worked 12 hr mids, slept in my car for a couple hours until classes started and went to school for four hours. Hey now that little piece of paper that took me three years to get looks really good on my resume.

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AdrenalinesWife said:


Robocop33 said:


To answer the question about does a collage degree make a good cop, the answer is no. As Richard pointed out though, it makes a better cop. This is why I said they should have either prior service OR a military background. Actually I would prefer a military background to a degree. Now yes I do want the Officer to get a degree in order to be promoted and degree should be either Criminal Justice or pre-law. This shows a couple of things to me. The Officer is dedicated enough to want to learn his craft and all that will be required in the legal areas, that is after all, what we are involved in, legalities. Gone are the days when you simply hired some big tough SOB that could bust heads. Lest you forget, I am from that era and I have personal experience. For the most part they were damn good cops, but they were not very good leaders or administrators and the supervisors need that knowledge now. Even was back 30 plus years ago some of the larger and more professional departments required everyone to take a course in supervision and management for consideration for promotion. We are professionals. Just because you have the paper doesn't mean you are qualified, but it means at least you have the drive to excel in your chosen profession.


No disrespect meant uncle Robo, but I'm 6'3" 260 lbs., have been called worse than an SOB, am a Corporal with my Department, which means I'm a supervisor, have won every FELONY and MISDEMEANOR case I've ever made an arrest on and just to give you a flashback, will and have kicked many an SOB's ass because he wants to fight instead of comply, aint scared, but otherwise I'm a very likeable guy.


I did'nt realize the wife was logged in, no she's not 6'3" and 260 lbs. I would have my hands full!!!!!!!!!!!

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I just wanted to add that I have worked with AWESOME cops who have high school diploma's and I feel the departments are not allowing them to move up in the ranks because of education which is crap. Administration should do everything in their power to help their employees better themselve.

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I had prior military but back then my department did not require a degree of any sort or even military. We had some great officers. Those Officers that wanted to get ahead and learn how to become a better Officer went to collage at night like I did. My goal was to get my pre=law and then after retirement finish my law degree and go from there. Didn't work out that way but I knew the law.

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I don't think they pay enough to warrant a degree. An AA at a good school can cost upwards of $10,000-$20,000!!! a community college degree can be had for around $4,000 or so. If they want to pay more base pay (not $30 a meesly $30 a week more), then a college degree would be beneficial.

$30,000 a year for someone with a degree just sounds a little low for the risk of the job.

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I paid my own way through college started at a community college and then to a 4 yr university. It did take me longer, since I paid it myself, I could not always take a full course load. I also worked and I'm able to make my own hours at work. But it was worth it. And the cost I paid was around $16,000, the frigging books cost as much as the tuition.

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Yes I now at writing b/c of all the research papers i had to write. I think longest paper was around 12-13 pages undergrad course.

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A two year degree wouldn't hurt.

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Until they implement a high-tech policing system, where nationwide the complainant calls in all their information to an automated dispatcher and the only cops that show up on scene are Forensic Scientists, we're still gonna need Patrol Officers who apply A LOT OF COMMON SENSE and a LITTLE BIT of LAW, to show up, assess, make the scene safe, and do preliminary investigation, doesn't take a rocket scientist, the weak-minded will be culled out eventually......and again I'm not knocking degree holders, just making a point.

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I am just about to graduate with 4 years of CJ and two minors under my belt...GPA 3.9. I don't think my degree shows anything at all other than the fact that I am capable of hard work and diligence. The only problem is...a lot of departments are requiring applicants to have degrees...a lot of them are moved up to 4 years of higher ed now. I agree with Loop22 though...I have spent a lot of time and money to get a degree and I am looking at maxing out around 50,000 a year after 20 years. That's barely more than I spend to go to college for two semesters. But if they require it, I have no choice. All it will do is make policing a rich man's (or a very in debt man's) job. Super.

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I am presently working on my Associates Degree after being out of school for over 20 years. And I am doing it nearly for the pay increase. It is not going to make me any more street smart in my detention center. Teaching theory is one thing, living it is another.

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no! what does a degree tell me about you other thaen your abilty to have recieve it?! i would rather get my degree after i have had some exsperiance anyways, of course thats me .

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wow i just read my own post and realized i might need to go back to school,lol!!

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