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I think I just need to vent to some one about this....... at my current job as a Detention Officer, upper management (i.e. Jail Commanders, and the Chief Deputy) decided to not allow officers to wear puncture proof/resistant gloves while on duty. The reason that was told to all of the officers was "Black leather or puncture proof/resistant gloves are to intimidating to the inmates."…..What the heck? Unfortunately, one of my fellow officers got stuck twice by sharpened paper clips after the puncture proof/resistance gloves were taken away from us and now has to have blood drawn every month for the next 18 – 24 months to check to see if he has contracted HIV/AIDS and/or Hepatitis. Because of the fact that at least one officer has already been hurt, I attempted to talk to my chain of command to get authorization to use the puncture proof/resistant gloves, I got NO where with the lower levels of my chain of command so I scheduled a meeting with the Chief Deputy. The response to my request from the Chief Deputy was as follows, “I will NOT authorize the use of these gloves, because it is a SANITARY issue.” I then asked how using protective gloves during searches was a “Sanitary” issue. The Chief Deputy replied with, “Well what if the gloves become contaminated with blood or other bodily fluids, there is NO way to properly decontaminate them, and officers would be reusing contaminated gloves.” I replied with,” most officers that had any amount of intelligence would properly discard the gloves and purchase new ones if the gloves became contaminated with blood or other bodily fluids.” The Chief Deputy then told me, “I will NOT authorize the use of these gloves, and if I see or catch any officers using non disposable gloves that officer will receive disciplinary action.”………Sorry for the long drawn out story, but like I said in the beginning I think I needed to vent and maybe even ask for suggestion on what to do at this point.

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Ask the Chief Deputy and admin to conduct all searches. Insubordination? Maybe, but you're at risk. Would they conduct searches without protection. I would take it to the union.

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small agency?

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thats funny....i could not help but to laugh. I wish it as that easy

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kind of a small agency..... County Detention

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I like Jims comment. If they refuse to allow their officers to wear puncture proof gloves, then they need to conduct all the searches! Let them get their first exposure and see how quickly they change their minds. That is an officer safety issue and your co-worker has a hell of a law suit!


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He'll think not authorized when a c/o catches a blood born or other diease. Lether gloves not at all. QUALITY disposable, absolutely

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I agree about the potential for a law suit.

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I agree about leather, but what about the cloth puncture protective gloves.

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Do you have a union rep? If so, I would talk to them. Unfortunately, I have heard this issue, "too intimidating to the inmates" before.

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TOO INTIMIDATING TO THE INMATES? They are the masters at intimidation. F--- them! The CO's must be safe. What the hell does anyone care what the inmates think? They're lawbreakers. Do what you have to do, and don't worry what the inmates think. They could care less, why should we.

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What about taking the story to a reporter or newspaper and remain anonymous. Otherwise a lawsuit should make them think.

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jims4 said:

TOO INTIMIDATING TO THE INMATES? They are the masters at intimidation. F--- them! The CO's must be safe. What the hell does anyone care what the inmates think? They're lawbreakers. Do what you have to do, and don't worry what the inmates think. They could care less, why should we.

I agree completely, however, the "powers that be" who make the rules that COs are suppose to follow, the ones that never step foot on the front lines, seem to think we shouldn't intimidate inmates.....I have heard this from not just my agency, but others.

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I don't know if my agency has a union or not. I totally agree F---- the inmates and whether or not they are intimidated. Considering a majority of the inmates are incarcerated or being detained for committing or being accused of commiting VIOLENT crimes......did the victims of thier crimes have a choice of whether or not they felt intimidated during the commision of the crime.....did the victims get to tell the criminals 'hey you can't use that gun or that knife because it intimidates me' I don't think so.......Does anyone have a suggestion on how to take this subject to the media and remain annonymous and not jepordise my job

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vanarsdale1632 said:

I don't know if my agency has a union or not. I totally agree F---- the inmates and whether or not they are intimidated. Considering a majority of the inmates are incarcerated or being detained for committing or being accused of commiting VIOLENT crimes......did the victims of thier crimes have a choice of whether or not they felt intimidated during the commision of the crime.....did the victims get to tell the criminals 'hey you can't use that gun or that knife because it intimidates me' I don't think so.......Does anyone have a suggestion on how to take this subject to the media and remain annonymous and not jepordise my job

Yes. Just call them. Tell them the story, tell them you want to remain anonymous, and if they think it warrants investigation, they will do a story. They will interview the sheriff, the county top dogs everybody. If nothing else, it will get people thinking and hopefully bring about change. You have nothing to lose. I still say it is also a union issue. Safety is always a union issue.

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cool, I will look in to these options. Should I attempt to start a patition as well?

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What can it hurt. If you get a unanimous number of CO's signatures, and then present it to the Sheriff, what can he do, but take it into consideration. Just make him realize you are not there to make waves, just to be safe while performing your job to the best of your ability. I am not in law enforcement, but I am saying these words based on my life experiences and common sense. There may be some LEO's who have different opinions than mine. They are the true experts, so you might want to get some of their opinions also.

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Thats a good point and I definately agree, I dont want to cause problems or make waves I just want to be able to keep myself as well as my fellow officers as safe as I possibly can.

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One phone call to OSHA or the State Jail Inspector. Either one can get the job done.

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DetSgtDarryl said:

One phone call to OSHA or the State Jail Inspector. Either one can get the job done.

Never thought of that, and being a volunteer fireman, you'd think I would have. Hear about them all the time. Thanks DSD.

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First of all I always present myself as rigid and squared away, intentionally to intimidate whoever I'm speaking with, but that's the way I was trained and it works on some, others are wanting to gut me. Second, puncture resistant gloves are a good piece of equipment to have and should be used if available. If I were in your shoes, and changes weren't made in favor of my co-workers and I, I would be hunting another job, some one's always looking for good,dedicated correctional officers. I won't work for a department that would knowingly jeapordize my safety. Good Luck

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I would be careful with the media angle. Since yours is such a small agency and you have all ready brought the issue to the attendtion of the Chief Deputy, it wouldn't be a big leap to assume you were the one that contacted the media. Could make you a target. Just a thought.

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DetSgtDarryl said:

One phone call to OSHA or the State Jail Inspector. Either one can get the job done.

do you really think that this option might work........how would i go about contacting OSHA or the State Jail Inspector?

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AdrenalineJunkie said:

First of all I always present myself as rigid and squared away, intentionally to intimidate whoever I'm speaking with, but that's the way I was trained and it works on some, others are wanting to gut me. Second, puncture resistant gloves are a good piece of equipment to have and should be used if available. If I were in your shoes, and changes weren't made in favor of my co-workers and I, I would be hunting another job, some one's always looking for good,dedicated correctional officers. I won't work for a department that would knowingly jeapordize my safety. Good Luck

agree i try to do the same..... i would look for a nother job but i just changed to this job less than 7 months ago and i am can not afford a pay cut in order to change jobs or agencies.....

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jail inspector-in the phone book under state of. OSHA-U.S. Government pages. Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

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co7753 said:

I would be careful with the media angle. Since yours is such a small agency and you have all ready brought the issue to the attendtion of the Chief Deputy, it wouldn't be a big leap to assume you were the one that contacted the media. Could make you a target. Just a thought.

Good Point. Wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the complaintant was.

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cool thanks

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jims4 said:


co7753 said:


I would be careful with the media angle. Since yours is such a small agency and you have all ready brought the issue to the attendtion of the Chief Deputy, it wouldn't be a big leap to assume you were the one that contacted the media. Could make you a target. Just a thought.


Good Point. Wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the complaintant was.


I totally agree

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co7753 said:

I would be careful with the media angle. Since yours is such a small agency and you have all ready brought the issue to the attendtion of the Chief Deputy, it wouldn't be a big leap to assume you were the one that contacted the media. Could make you a target. Just a thought.

very true.

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vanarsdale1632 said:

I don't know if my agency has a union or not. I totally agree F---- the inmates and whether or not they are intimidated. Considering a majority of the inmates are incarcerated or being detained for committing or being accused of commiting VIOLENT crimes......did the victims of thier crimes have a choice of whether or not they felt intimidated during the commision of the crime.....did the victims get to tell the criminals 'hey you can't use that gun or that knife because it intimidates me' I don't think so.......Does anyone have a suggestion on how to take this subject to the media and remain annonymous and not jepordise my job

I have an idea and was thinking about another safety idea ever since the incident with the fallen officer here in Michigan. Since I am a Non LEO, I can stir up all kinds of things. However, it will be done tactful and in a professional manner. I'll have to do a little research to back my arguement. Also, I think something similar to this was on MSNBC or Dateline recently. Just give me some time to dig up information to support the safey issue. LIke I stated before, I am here to look out for you officers. And of course no names or departments would be mentioned. I would put my proposal together in a generic format, but make it solid. In my previous job of 13 years I was an HR/Operations manager, so I know about OSHA and other means of getting the word out. Also have my connections one of the APA divisions that work with police, fire and public safety. Shall try my best. :)

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