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Why do you think its been a deadly year for Law Enforcement?

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Weinblattmsnbc_max50

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We all know its been a deadly year for law enforcement officers. Why do you think that is and what can we do in terms of training, etc. to slow down the carnage?

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I dont think it is the training, I think its everyday society has got to the point the have no respect for the law anymore I mean crap look at tv shows and movies now days as to 10 years ago.


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The pendulum effect.

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Det, are we swinging back, or forth? Does it mean that things are going to get better soon? I've about had enough of the "RIP my brother" threads. I've buried a couple of friends over the years and hope I've been to the last cop funeral. I attribute the problem to the lack of respect; to society, law enforcement, and the bad guys themselves.

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In many locales. Many of the young gang-bangers that were getting sent away for 10-20 years are coming up or have already reached their max prison time. Now that many of them are getting out they are trying to re-estalish their gangs in areas that have been fairly dormant for several years now. The early 90's were pretty crazy with gangs across the nation.


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I think everyone wanting to be politicaly correct and not wanting to hurt anyones feelings has also contributed to this. Cops can't be cops anymore. I talk with my wifes grandfather about this a lot. Back in his day it was ok for a perp to sustain a few "respect" scrapes. If someone cusses us or disrespects us we have to be nice and accordingf to one judge recently have "thicker skin". HA! Not back in the day. You disrespect an officer...you met the dirt, hard. I think we should be alowed a few more liberties in this. If not, it can only get worse. My .02

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It is the Time of the End just before the Saved are called up that Jesus warned about. The lawless is getting more lawless.

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I tend to agree with OfficerGrace. Just look at all the natural disasters and other things going on on the world today. I also think a lot of the younger generation feel there is no repurcussion for their action and can do what they want.

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It all goes hand in hand. What little power we have these days is being lessoned. We are always on our heels that if we so called profile someone or look at someone different because of the way they are dressed or the colors they display we are in the wrong. We have gangs, inmates and released con's that know what we can and can't do anymore, that leaves us that thier mercy. Why is this a bad year, in the past two years look at what has been taken away from us, how we are able to react to things and look at things. We are on our heels trying to stay balanced but getting no help from anyone except the few of us that still believe in justice and fighting crime.

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It is also a society where parents don't want to parent and expect everyone else to do it. The kids have no discipline. I agree with Darkness in the respect that cops are not allowed to be cops. The judicial system will continue giving the S--t bags more rights than the victims and more cops in the long run will get killed for it.

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If anyone here knows some departments have accredidation that makes their officers held at a higher standard. I don't mind being professional and being at a higher standard, but almost every SOP is gray. This means, you are not allowed to pursue....BUT if a forceable felony is committed, you are allowed to pursue...BUT you better pray their was a weapon involved and not implied...BECAUSE you will get screwed!!!! My point with this is it makes the officers second guess thier decisions when they shouldn't and makes the job even more dangerous than it already is. Hence more law enforcement casualties.

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Where there is no vision the people go unrestrained, but happy are they that are keeping the law PR29:18. I think a lot of people who could, don't look ahead before they act. Some of the threads on this website had some good ideas as looking into stressors for police and how to handle them, working with the Community more, and proactive vs. reactive in some circumstances. I'm not a LEO and I don't know enough about the more serious side of police work to give a full comment on how to approach it.


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The hip-hop ghetto rap culture has desensitized these kids to the effects of the violence. It has made shooting people, robbing people, killing people or assaulting the police as fashionable as a nice pair of Nike sneakers.

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Some excellent points are being made here.

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There is nothing we can do except pray.We can't make bad people be good.We can't make parents raise their kids right.All we can do is our jobs.Watch each others backs and protect the best we can.Its not a perfect world .There will always be mistakes made and there will always be situations we can't control no matter how much we train and try.

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We have got to do out job to the best of our ablility.When its your time to go its just time,nothing you can do to prevent it.It may be on the job or in your sleep.It pays to be ready to go.Looking at stats there seems to be a few things that may have been done different,hard to say unless your in that particular situation,so i wont judge or comment on specifics.

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I have to agree with those who liken this year to the swing of a pendulum. Line of duty deaths decreased for a few years, particularly in the area of officers who were disarmed and killed with their own weapons. One possible factor is the number of criminals back out of prison, yet another is gang violence. The most likely, in my mind, however, is the general lack of respect for human life and the decrease in the acceptance of responsibility. How many of these losers weep at their trials when their lawyers describe their "sad" upbringing, or the fact that they were poor. Young men have grown up oftentimes without a positive male role model, or have had a very poor role model to follow. Look at the schools: when I was a kid, if I got in trouble in school, I was in much bigger trouble once I got home. Now, the parent(s) threaten lawsuits if their little darlings get the feelings hurt in school by being told that they have to behave, sit down and shut up!

What's the answer? I have no clue, except to increase officer safety training, be aware of your surroundings, use back-up, and use your head when dealing with the public. As the Ol' Sarge on Hill Street Blues used to say: "Let's be careful out there!"


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It would also be interesting to see if the percentage of assaults against officers (where an officer is not killed) is also up at the same rate that combat line of duty deaths is. I would think it is. If it's not, it may be that the criminals have gotten better in hitting officers where they are not protected.

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I think that two things are killing us. #1 is the number of people who have no respect for the law and they would rather kill an officer instead of going to jail, so wear your vest. #2, which is something we can fix, is the number of officers killed in traffic crashes. Remember my brothers and sisters, we don't accomplish the mission if we don't get to the call. SLOW DOWN and WEAR YOUR SEATBELT! Stay safe!


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It most certainly is NOT hip hop culture. Although the glorification of the ghetto is a strange manifestation of poverty. A scary manifestation. Why in some musical out forms do individuals insist on bragging about being poor?

In any event,iIt is parental involvement or lack thereof. Music should not be blamed for lawlessness. It is the irresponsibility of the parents. They bred them and should monitor them. If music, television, and technology and the arts are having that much influence on a child then a parent should intervene. Too many young mothers having babies they cannot afford or raise and they are letting the streets do their job. Then they cry and moan on television about how their child was a good child but just "got into a little trouble" or "got caught up in the wrong crowd". Alright already. Parents should be held financially responsible for their children. The truancy in US public schools is atrocious. Some children come to school four to five times out of a month. Everyone wants to blame skin color, if not skin color then poverty if not poverty then teachers if not teachers then the church if not church then music. No! No one is to blame but these irrespondible human beings breeding children they cannot afford, don't want and do not plan on taking responsibility for. Welfare? What a crock of statistical propoganda. It isn't "welfare mothers". Welfare is ANY form of government assistance. Government student loans are a form of welfare. Frankly there are more people on SSI/disability sitting around eating bon bons and watching soaps and being unproductive than anyone else. It is not a problem of class or poverty. It is a problem with ONCE YOU HAVE A CHILD YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!! It is not any one else's responsibility to feed, clothe, nurture and instill morales into your child but YOU! I am sick and tired of blacks, hispanics, whites, asians, the poor, the uneducated and on and on being blamed for the ills in society. Irresponsibility is to blame. Individual irresponsibility. I am so tired of everyone trying to find a cure all group or culture to blame.

Stop dumbing down sex education. If our society stopped acting like teens were not having sex and presented sex as a science it would take the "secret AHA!" effect out of sex. It needs to be presented health wise and scientifically. Have sex get a baby and it is going to cost you. Why are so many people having babies they know they cannot afford? It creates a burden on society and what you create and develop is a very angry, frustrated, unloved individual that quickly makes up their mind that life sucks and they are going to make it miserable for everyone else.

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I think that is is several reasons. First, we still have a court system that cares much more for the rights of criminals than the people they hurt and second we have an economy that is beginning to really show signs of weakness, and when that happens the criminal element seems to come out of the woodwork.

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I'm not blaming the music, I am blaming the culture associated with it. I agree that parenting is a major factor, but all you need to do is spend some time in an area that these guys rap about and you will see that the violence is the culture and it all revolves around two things, drugs and the hip-hop type culture. It's not so much the lyrics that are the problem, it is the entire culture.

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Though I am not an Officer, and I haven't read everyone's post so bare with me.

Policing in a urban environment on your own citizens with a "rule structure" is where you will fail.
You can hone an officers skills for the rest of his career but as long as he or she has to remain "Customer Service" oriented. There will always be slain cops. The problem is most of the officers who have been Killed By a weapon have let their guard down. With as much as training they have received they should know the procedures for every situation. What clouds their minds is all the little "Rules" they must abide too. (Am I being curtius, Am I giving all the info to this person I am supposed to.)

In war you must assume every person not wearing my uniform is going to kill you. The bad thing about this statement is it is true. Once you let your guard down your dead.

My advice is, You want to stop the deaths of cops. Allow them to do their jobs effectively with of fear of recourse . Granted they should not be beating down a belligerent crack head because he swallowed so crack. But if someone gets out of hand they need to know what the consequences will be . The only way that will be done is by example.

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May I offer an alternative thought as to the cause for the current upswing in officer deaths ?. Upon analysis, I do not see 2007 as unusually remarkable; considering the amount of officers nationwide, the 1970s and 1980s were far more dangerous. As a career Marine Corps Officer who took an 8 year sabatical to serve as a Deputy Sheriff for Hillsborough County Florida I would raise the arguement that while many of the current officers of today are far more educated then their brother officers from the 70s and 80s who served a tour or two in Vietnam, the current breed of officers lack the survival or combat mindset skills common to officers of that era. I submit that when the Iraqi war veterans begin filling the ranks of the law enforcement community we will see not only a reduction in officer deaths by gunfire but a dramatic increase in complaints of 'police brutality'. It is a trade off, we either gain in combat skills and survival techniques or suffer increases in valid civil suits claims for excessive force.. My conclusion ?; it is bettter to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

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I have read all of the posts here and I think that everyone has some valid points that were made. There is quite a bit of lack of respect for officers. This trend is sometimes felt to be in more urban areas than not. I don't know that I agree fully with that because just think about some of the verbal altercations that officers receive when they pull someone over to issue a citation.

I think our children are growing up seeing that it is ok to disrespect officers period. Pop culture may have made it more glamourous but I think it starts at home. Anything from a single parent or grand parent stating to a kid growing up without a father or mother saying to that kid "your daddy isn't here because the bad old police put him in jail" to just a person having their kids in the car cussing that bad old police officer for pulling my over to issue a citation. I believe when seeds like this are planted, that's where the breakdown begins. The more violent the culture is, the more violence will be prevelant against officers.

I live in St. Louis, and I've read a lot about Officer Brown death this week. I've also read a lot of public reaction on message boards. I believe the media is struggling for answers. No one really has any. The fact still remains unfortunately, that a dead officer is a hero after an incident like this, however he's the biggest jerk in the world if that same nice guy has lights flashing in the rear view mirror.

We as citizens need to take stock in what we believe, as well as teach our children to have more respect for authority. Any LEO has his or her job to do just like I do. If I'm not hanging out in an alley late at night looking like I'm up to something, the officer would have no reason to pull down that alley. I believe that society has lost some of their idea of what personal responsibility is. At 15, I don't know if you truly understand the concept of personal responibility, but you do know it's not right to just shot police just because he stopped to have a word with you.

Unfortunately, Officer Brown made a rookie mistake by not getting on the radio stating to someone he was in that alley way until it was already too late. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was at any fault at all. In this day of one officer to a patrol car, taking a risk like that could prove to be a big mistake. In his case, it cost him his life because some knuckle head felt like shooting at a police officer that night.

So I think in the case of Officer Brown, the use of his training would have kept him alive in this instance. However we will never know now.

Again, I'm not trying to blame anyone except the teen that fired the fatal shot. What I am saying as that in this violent culture, you LEO's have to take all of the precautions necessary to stay safe and make it back home to us, your families because we need you too.

Be safe.

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I strongly believe the problems persist and are a growing monster , due to the use of chemicals in our society. I live in a very small town,,recently invaded by the meth,,meth labs on every street in every neighborhood. I have seen familys (who had a solid foundation ) ripped apart due to it. I have seen children suffer the abuse of parents that are addicted. I have seen officers repeatedly deal with the same people over and over again , for the court system to let them walk back out the door , back onto our streets. ...The use meth promotes mind numb zombies, willing to do anything for that next chemical fix....

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babeblu said:

I strongly believe the problems persist and are a growing monster , due to the use of chemicals in our society. I live in a very small town,,recently invaded by the meth,,meth labs on every street in every neighborhood. I have seen familys (who had a solid foundation ) ripped apart due to it. I have seen children suffer the abuse of parents that are addicted. I have seen officers repeatedly deal with the same people over and over again , for the court system to let them walk back out the door , back onto our streets. ...The use meth promotes mind numb zombies, willing to do anything for that next chemical fix....

You have to know this statement is correct. Twenty years ago there wasn't this balloon effect. You didn't see the problems you have today. Departments need to keep up with the trends and disregard their previous policies. What is it going to be like in another 20 years? Can you imagine what this conversation will be like.

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I think it's society, they know you can kill a cop and just about get away with it. They, as the killer have all the rights and can say what they want in thier defense. Because the law prohibits and limits what the prosecution can say and submit the jury is not privey to the criminals past acts. There is northing for them to be afraid of if they kill an officer.

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The hip-hop ghetto rap culture has desensitized these kids to the effects of the violence. It has made shooting people, robbing people, killing people or assaulting the police as fashionable as a nice pair of Nike sneakers.

this is true.. but it can't be soley the reason.. i listen to that music.. and i know whether or not it's right to rob and kill.. like some other people said.. it's about upbringing..i mean it's just like blaming beavis and butthead on pyros....it's about what kind of people watch these things.. and what their mindset is already


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Weak leadership is a MAJOR factor! The criminals think they can get away with whatever they want! At least thats why attacks on Officers have gone uo in Los ANgeles! Our chief is a weak political pupet, with NO BALLS, and refuses to stand up for us ground pounders! Stay Safe Warriors!


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