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http://blogidaho.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-cops-shoot-guys-with-knives.html

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They teach it over and over.......21 feet, 21 feet, 21 FEET

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Very graphic and now I understand shoot em then ask questions , that was just bad, bad, bad and shooting them it can be done in a way to disarm them such as leg, arm , or both

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angelbaby68 said:

Very graphic and now I understand shoot em then ask questions , that was just bad, bad, bad and shooting them it can be done in a way to disarm them such as leg, arm , or both

sorry angel , i wasn't taught , nor trained shoot to wound . in a high stress situation you do what you train..........eliminate the threat...........don't like knives and a trained person with one is deadly , hell an untrained one is deadly . non le got to know this is our life and we just don't shoot to wound...........


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angelbaby, officers can't use "winging" someone as a tactic.

When you are under threat of grave injury or death, your heart gets pounding and that cues your nervous system to pour stress chemicals into your system. These chemicals enhance some physical systems, like gross motor muscles so you can fight or flee, but it takes away fine motor muscle control. Which makes aiming very difficult.

Hence officers are taught to aim for the largest target, i.e. body, rather than something as small and hard-to-hit as a hand or leg.

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thanks ck............


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You're welcome-- you are right, Val, this is something we need to teach the general public about.

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yeah I know it wasn't meant to be mean just funny sorry

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photos are very bad

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angelbaby68 said:

yeah I know it wasn't meant to be mean just funny sorry

not taken as mean , just wanted you to know this is what officers may face at any given moment on their tour ................it's not hollywood to us and no one is going to say cut..no pun intended....


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I understand thats cool

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I tend to take serious situations and try to make them funny so it seems easier to deal with , maybe wrong but usally works for me

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Angel that isn't wrong, we as LE also use humor as our way to deal as well, although that is when a camara is in our face and people judge us as insinsitive I don't think anyone in LE is taught to shoot to wound. It is all about shoot to kill and make it home. If we have to pull our gun then we are at a situation where that is what we will do to go home.

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hey sarge . now angel you see why we're so off the wall on this site . there are things you may never see , nor ever have to deal with , but we do and sometimes those things stay with us . the knife thing , distance is everything unless the asshole was in ringling brothers too and can hit me at that 21 ft. distance . you wouldn't believe how fast a trained knife wielding person can move and eat up that distance , so yes mam , he's a goner.............


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I think cops are taught to shoot (and keep shooting) until the threat is stopped. And then, if the perp is still alive, they call an ambulance.

This is in contrast to the perp who gets a cop down and injured, then walks over and executes him.

Now THAT'S what I call "shooting to kill".

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Hey Val. We just had training yesterday with simunitions, hope I spelled that right, if I didn't oh well. Anyway, you don't really realize how fast things can happen until it's coming right at you. My first traffic stop in the training the officer(suspect) came out of his vehicle shooting as I approached on the passenger side. It was sweet, until reality set in. I was able to nail him in the cheek. Point of it is if it would have been a bullet he would not have a face left. I don't want to be mean, but I could care less if the family has an open or closed cascet, again spelling, as long as I go home.

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We did a training a while back and people don't realize how close 21 feet is and how quick a criminal can close that gap. I'd have to find the article but there was an instance where a cop shot a suspect twice but the suspect still closed the gap with his knife in his hand. Adrenaline can be a funny thing......Stay safe and go home.

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Thanks all I understand

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One question I have is if you where wearing a vest these types of cuts shouldn’t have gone through that... Or could they? Either way that is a very good training resource for anyone. Also looking at the wounds the knife had to be pretty damn sharp to cut that clean....


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Yes Clover, for the most part "bullet proof" vests are edge weapon useless. However, if he were to be wearing a vest i don't believe the wounds would be as you say, that clean. But then again, depends what kind of vest he may have been wearing. As for angelbaby, shoot to wound is definately a Hollywood thing. Officers are taught to shoot center mass of the threat and to shoot to stop, not shoot to kill. Although center mass of a body is pretty much a kill target, you're whole purpose is to stop the suspects threat towards you or anyone else. Anything else can get you sued. This is because we are trained to shoot center mass. Now of course during the heat of battle anything could happen, but purposely shooting out a knee cap or foot, big no no.

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Thank you Daniel, that’s what I was thinking as well, going through a shirt yes it’s possible that it could be that clean, but through a shirt and bullet proof vest probably not some protection but not enough to take the chance.


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Double tap to the center mass, one to the cranial vault. Period. End of story.

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Are you guys still training to double tap center mass?

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Two to the chest, one to the head. The Marine Corps way

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I have seen these photos before and that is where I come from called being cut long, wide, deep and often. You pull a knife on me you better put it down before I draw a bead on you because by that time I have already said drop the knife and the next sound you hear from my direction immediately following that command is a very loud bang. That is also the very last thing you will ever hear. It is very doubtful you will hear the second and third shots but know that they will be there to further blow holes in your dead or dying body.

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ODIN said:

Are you guys still training to double tap center mass?

You stop when the threat stops.

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one to the head at 21 feet will do.

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For the young guns out in the jungle, you need to hit up your swat or tact team instructors for C.Q.B. drills, patrol officers need to know the things that are taught in cqb schools. as a patrol officer you will be in as many close quarters fights as S.W.A.T, i have been both and have trained my narc guys in CQB, i do think different than most but i think it is a tool all cops should have not just special teams.

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Incidents like this backs up why drills like 'speed rock' are important.