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How beneficial is the information that is provided? Also, can you tell the difference between a profiler from the FBI and a Criminal Psychologists profiler?

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Some investigators like having profilers involved in cases, some don't. Some detectives don't like having other detectives in their cases. You can tell the difference between an FBI profiler (or FBI trained) and a Psychologist/Psychiatrist, the easiest difference to see is the badge and gun.


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geeezzzzz thanks !! I was trying to ask a serious question......... You must be the funny and smart one :)

You know that Psychologist/Psychiatrist who specialize in criminal justice, behavior are doing their job to help LEOs. The main focus is monitoring the amount of stress that is put on you guys and to find or come up with ways to reduce stess, training, provide input on updating equipment, etc. . We work for/assist LEOs because we do have LEOS best interest at heart believe it or not. Some people do try to look out for the police officers well-being and quality of life. If there is such a thing.....

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You didn't ask about the agency Psychologist/Psychiatrist , you asked about profilers. I have taken the classes at Quantico, as well having academic courses in criminal profiling during my Masters and Doctoral degrees; I am also an active criminal investigator that works cases, so I have a unique view on how profilers are viewed. If you wanted to know how the agency shrink was received, you should have asked that, then I could have told you they are viewed as one of the agency's administration and as such look out for the best interest of who appointed them to their position not the rank and file. Even though that may not be the case, that is the perception of the line officers. You'll probably take some offence to this responce to your serious question, just like you found my previous, serious (with a bit of levity added) answer, however this is the way it has been in my experience.


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Doctor, you spelled offense wrong. No offence

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None taken, I never claimed to be a good speller and sometimes I do forget to run spell check. I'm just an imperfect cop.


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Jack60 said:

Doctor, you spelled offense wrong. No offence

JACK, you are rapidly becoming my hero.

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FBI agents wear a dark suit with sunglasses and an earpiece.

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FBI. stands for,
Full.
Blown.
Idiots.

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DetSgtDarryl said:

FBI agents wear a dark suit with sunglasses and an earpiece.

Dont forget that they drive black Tahoes too. :)

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DetSgtDarryl... That's the Secret Service... The FEEBS just have the dark suits and sunglasses.


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Don't forget about the PDA and the MP6 in the briefcase...Oh wait, that's CTU, Jack Bauer Whoop Whoop!!!

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Jack Bauer can kick any of our butts.

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ODIN said:

FBI. stands for,
Full.
Blown.
Idiots.

or does it stand for "Female Body Inspector." I busted a creep with a black teeshirt saying that..

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mlar297 ---no I am not offended by your answer. I asked a question and I wanted a straight forward answer and I got it. Just because I'm female doesn't mean I'm gonna go off and cry somehwhere. :) I appreciate your honesty.
Plus, the reason for my defensive response was because, where I live, the local police dept. is short 4 officers of being properly staffed and the city is not replacing them. It's bad here!!! It is sooooooo wrong !!!! I feel bad for the officers that are working here---you guys already have stress as it is, but to be in this situation..... makes you want to pound your head against the wall. The community is fighting the city adminstration on this and it's falling on deaf ears.. Very frustrating !!!

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mlar297, has it been your experience that chaplains are also regarded as being in Administration's pocket?

Some chaplains run into that assumption, for sure.

When I first began, quite a number of officers asked if the chief had recruited me or if I had volunteered myself, and I interpreted that to be relating to just this issue. (I volunteered myself, incidentally.)

Most police chaplains are not paid, and while that has some drawbacks, one advantage is that officers know that such chaplains aren't risking their livelihood if they have a conflict with the administration.

Of course, there is always a question of accountability. Some departments want their chaplains to report in some sorts of measurable statistics relating to their work, but all of them I know that do that do it by numbers of contacts-- i.e., this month I spent x hours in counselling with x subjects; logged x hours riding along; handled x phone calls. No names. We don't usually keep any written records, and those who do assign identifying numbers rather than names to their paperwork. Not badge numbers, of course, but a number that the Chaplain assigns. But as I say, most of us do not keep records at all.

I remember being in a chaplain class where the teacher put it this way, "If you don't keep any paperwork, it can't be subpoenaed." (sp?)

Those chaplains who are ordained clergy have some protections from being subpoenaed anyway, as information that is shared with us in the context of our role is considered privileged information. Exceptions being if someone is abusing a kid, or is about to commit murder or suicide. The confidentiality laws vary some state to state in this regard.

Most chaplains I know would rather be jailed for contempt than break confidentiality, anyways. Not aware of any who have been; and a judge once told me that no judge would want to be identified as throwing a cleric in jail for protecting someone's confidentiality.

Didn't mean to hi-jack the thread, but it seems related to me.

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I like that ck

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Thanks, angelbaby.

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ChaplainKeppy... No, that hasn't been my experience. Chaplains are seen more as one of the rank and file as opposed to administration. Probably because Chaplains tend to associate with those of us in the trenches more, meaning they socialize more with the rank and file (picnics, retirement parties, fishing trips). There also isn't the same stigma associated with seeing the Chaplain that there is when seeing the Dept. Psychologist/Psychiatrist. For example, when I was involved in a shooting resulting in the death of the perp the Chaplain came to me to ask if I needed anything and was OK as opposed to being ordered by the administration to see the Dept. Psychologist/Psychiatrist who's word to the administration could result in me sitting behind a desk for a long time, or even possibly end my career. Chaplains are more of an us in the us .v them scheme and the Dept. Psychologist/Psychiatrist are viewed as more of a them.


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Interesting.

I'm glad to hear that's how it is with your agency-- not like that everywhere, I think.

Recently I was at an out-of-town social gathering where I met an cop. I happened to know a chaplain who works with his agency and thought they might be acquainted, so I asked if he knew Chaplain So-and-so.

Boy, did he get uncomfortable! He told me he had "never had cause to see the Chaplain." You'd think I had asked him if he was falling apart.

So I said, Well, I just thought maybe you'd have run into him, working in the same building. And then there was a very awkward silence, and repeated that he hadn't had cause to see the Chaplain.

I really think I made this officer uncomfortable. He skedaddled as soon as he could.

I'm guessing his agency's chaplaincy needs to do some soul-searching about how they are set up or interact with the officers, or how officers get referred to them!

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I like keeping admin on their toes, i ask to see the chaplain at our department a few times a year because he keep everything confidential. we usually sit around and talk about were the best place to hunt is , when i go see him i try to look like im losing it which is not hard for me....I dont do this on duty b/c we can jaw for quitq awhile.

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LOL

I hope when you leave his office, you both have very worried expressions on your faces, and he claps you on the back and assures you he'll be praying for you! :-D

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LOL Odin......we had a guy request to see the Chaplain just to get out of sitting with a body while waiting for the ME. I almost didn't blame him because it was 90 degrees and the found him in a closed up apartment after being dead for a couple of days. Glad I wasn't junior man that day.....

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ODIN said:

I like keeping admin on their toes, i ask to see the chaplain at our department a few times a year because he keep everything confidential. we usually sit around and talk about were the best place to hunt is , when i go see him i try to look like im losing it which is not hard for me....I dont do this on duty b/c we can jaw for quitq awhile.

Sounds like a man that would be an excellent chess player. Someone that always thinks ahead....ODIN, you know where I am goin with this. I just wish I had thought of it. :-)

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the good thing about the guy, he plays right along, he is one of a kind, we don't share the same beliefs but he is very open minded.

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Profilers who help investigations zero in on the right suspect are very good. I don't claim to know how they do it as I am not trained but I do know they are good. As for the local Police Shrinks that want to consul you when something bad happens, no thanks, get out of my face and leave me alone. I will talk to my brother Officers if I need to or we can all go out to choir practice one night. It might be good for some but I am not into that touchy feely getting in touch with your inner self crap.

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Odin, I bet your chaplain enjoys those visits.

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Yes, he likes to know what makes me tick...........and he loves to hunt as much as i do.

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Have y'all ever gone hunting together?

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mlar297--- now after our initial responses to each other; who would have thought we hold the same view. I appreciate everyones comments . Generally, when the word Psychologist is brought up--everyone tends to think "clinical" that is not me and yes, like mice --everyone scurries into a corner somewhere. :) My approach is to look at "what's going on" so it doesn't get to that point- where the officers need to go see the agency psychologist. To some, that may sound wishy-washy, it's not. it's staying in an obejctive role looking at both sides--- those that make the rules and those that have to follow them. I like to think of it as a safety net and am truely looking out for everyones best interest. Sometimes I have to come across as a dork or a pup that still needs obedience training to gain insight. This was not a study, that would have been unethical. I was merely seeking input because the criminal justice and psychology systems are really starting to mesh together as a field as it pertains to dealing with or understanding criminal behavior. Just like in the training you guys go through--you had to have some psych. classes right? Well, I have to have criminal justice classes to understand your world and how to help in the aspect that I wish to. Really respect everyones role, we are all here for a reason. :)

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