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Posted about 7 years ago

 

OK guys, I have a pet peave, one of many, and would just like to see if I'm the only one, or if I'm dilusional. I'm patroling at 3 am in a predominately white neighborhood. I see a black man, slim jim in hip pocket, hammer and screwdriver in his hand. I stop him, question him and send him on his way. Next day I'm bombarded by people wanting to know why I questioned the man. Did I see him break into a car, No, did he look like he was attempting to break into a car, No, now I'm in the hot seat for racial profiling. Now, the way I see it, when I was on patrol, I didn't watch or look for anything specific, what I was looking for was anything that looked wrong or out of place. This scenerio fits out of place, but, now I'm racial profiling. It doesn't seem right to me. Just wanted to see what everyone else thinks. Not really wanting to debate, just hear opinions. This profiling thing just sticks in my craw if you know what I mean. Stay Safe


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It's a buzz word It's part of our jobs

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First off lets clear the air you are a cop, of course you are dilusional, as for the rest too easy, we all do that and it is no different from stopping a white guy that was walking in an all black neighborhood, next to new cars at no "oclock in the am. it is what it is. i can tell by your question that you know how to articulate yourself to the administration, so dont sweat the motoring morons in the public that does not know how to defend a nation.

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Profiling is part of our job! We shouldn't stop a person based on race alone. Put all the pieces together.

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Thanks Odin for the compliment, but it's those morons that do all they can to make our job harder and put the POSs back on the street, like Sharpton and Jackson. Racial profiling is a slim defense, but its the smoking gun defense that has over the years made LEOs out to be the bad guy and the bad guy to be the victim. You can't fix stupid, but it still sux big time. Oops, and I said I didn't want a debate. Sorry. Stay Safe


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No better place to vent, i know from where you speak.

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Your reason for stopping this person was justified, replace the person you stopped with a 13 year old boy, or 30 year old female, whomever---- this person didn't fit in that neighborhood at the time of evening with the items the person had on them.. bottom line. Don't let the public affect your instincts or judgement. By the way, I am a civilian and a profiler. You did the right thing. ---you're job. :)

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Stop calling it profiling, use "characteristic buildup". Seriously, worked for me.

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I like that---- really I do. And I'm serious.

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First of all, everybody that posted so far is right. Remember basic training. You dont see color or anything of that nature. Its called articulation. "characteristic buildup” is one way. Start with a stone and verbalize your way to a castle. A lot of time we are asked by prosecutors and defense as well, " When you first made contact with the defendant what was your probable cause?" Your answer should be something like, "I didn't have probable cause when I contacted the defendant. I had reasonable suspicion of a possible crime. " You can approach ANYONE at any time and ask them to talk. if they dont want, let them walk. But in this case you had reasonable suspicion to "detain" for an amount of time to develop PC. If PC exists, effect an arrest. If not, release.

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ok, i also agree. crime doesnt have a color , if something is out of place isnt your job our job to see why the picture doesnt make sence. you did what you were trained to do you did your JOB ignorants doesnt understand that

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3 am in the morning and he has a slim jim, a hammer and a screw driver ahhh........not profiling but good police work. At 3 in the morning thats we do is stop suspicious individuals and question them.

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We had a very aggressive public defender once who really didn't know the circumstances of his clients arrest start in with the racial garbage and profiling and how I only picked on him simply because he was black. What was really funny is that after his big speech it was explained that while I was the actual arresting Officer I was not the initial officer that contacted the suspect. THAT Officer was a very dark skinned Black Officer that I responded to a request for assistance from. LOL! Shot the hell out of his motion and claim of racism.

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Thanks for all the posts. I appreciate it. Robo, I like that, but you and I both know when the opposition starts yelling race, COP becomes a color of its own and they will pull the race card on an LEO of their own race because they see, in their tiny little minds, LEOs as a race apart, a race of its own. I've seen it. It just pains me to no end to see a cop do his job, do it well, then get picked apart over someones idea of profiling or race or some other imagined stupidity, and then get the table turned on him/her. I used to preach common horse sense. Now I spend my time trying to locate any. As an LEO you always seem to be caught in the middle between the trash on the street and the mighty mindless on the bench. It's a lot to be up against. Thank you all. Stay Safe


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If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, pretty good chances are it's a duck. Even a black male in a black neighborhood carrying a slim jim, screw driver, and a hammer needs to be stopped, identified, and talked too. I profile all of the time. If you look like you're up to no good, then we're gonna have a talk. That's how i profile. Like my supervisor says to us, no respectable person roams the streets after 10 p.m. Usually those on the streets that late are crack heads, burglars, and cops. I think for the most part, we need some type of profiling. After all how many blacks, whites, mexicans, or chinese people were involved in 9-11.

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Jack60 said:

Stop calling it profiling, use "characteristic buildup". Seriously, worked for me.

I like that.

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So what are the feelings when LEO's abuse their authority and commit blatant acts of racism in uniform?

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DetSgtDarryl said:

First of all, everybody that posted so far is right. Remember basic training. You dont see color or anything of that nature. Its called articulation. "characteristic buildup” is one way. Start with a stone and verbalize your way to a castle. A lot of time we are asked by prosecutors and defense as well, " When you first made contact with the defendant what was your probable cause?" Your answer should be something like, "I didn't have probable cause when I contacted the defendant. I had reasonable suspicion of a possible crime. " You can approach ANYONE at any time and ask them to talk. if they dont want, let them walk. But in this case you had reasonable suspicion to "detain" for an amount of time to develop PC. If PC exists, effect an arrest. If not, release.

Yeah, what he said, VERY well.


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fourtdog, i feel the same way about it as i would anywhere else. Racism happens everywhere in the U.S. with every race. Some people are just lazy as f@#k and wanna use race as a crutch for everything in life because they would rather live off of the tax payers than getting their ass up and getting a job and being a legitamite member of society.