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September 22, 2013
8 months ago
If you are going to film something start at the beginning not the middle....Who ever posted the video to start with should have thought (there is a large piece missing to this puzzle)..Who ever posted the video to start with is only trying to make the officer look bad, but insisted make the criminals and the film maker look bad...All three people would not be on the ground for no reason...Looks like the officer is doing his job to me....
This thing again?
another article about the story!
Person joined site on 9/22/13 to post this article for the argument. No thank you. As far as the officer's actions, the OP already admitted to not being there (subject lives in Alaska) so any judgement on their part could be considered an assumption and should be treated as such. Act of terrorism? HA!
Like most videos that are found on the internet..... the video only shows the end of a situation that appears to have escalated because of the actions of other people. Not near enough information to make a judgement call on the actions of the officer. My concern is that the video itself took just under 5 minutes and showed the officer on his radio, my guess asking himself for assistance. This incident appears to have been going on for some time when the video starts and probably continued for a while afterwards. Where was the backup that this officer was asking for? Had this been where I work, the department might be investigating something completely different end result if there had been no compliance.
As for the residents having to wait to pull into their driveway, I can only echo my distinguished associates who have already stated, NEVER interfere or otherwise approach an officer / deputy in the course of a traffic stop or other investigation. Your driveway notwithstanding, either wait or find something else to do for a few minutes. It may have been a routine traffic stop but wait...... NOTHING IS ROUTINE. This could have been many things up to and including a wanted felon. You do not have the right to interfere however slight even if this is your house and driveway. For almost 5 minutes in the video and for several more minutes before and after the video, the officer was placed into an unfriendly officer safety environment which could have resulted in serious injury or death to somebody including the officer.
I didn't watch the video either, but I think the word you're looking for is "intimidation", not "terrorism". There's no need to get hyperbolic--it only detracts from your argument because people switch to an argument over terminology rather than stay on the topic..whatever it is.
"Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear."
"An act of terrorism"? Really? I haven't watched the video, nor am I inclined to watch it. I can get a fairly decent sense of the incident by the posts placed here. I'm not going to try to defend anyone's actions related to it, either. But, having lived through the attacks of September 11, 2001 and responded to NYC on that initial day and subsequently during the recovery process, AND having the stench of death permeating the air through the weeks that followed, I can unequivocally say that you have NO IDEA what an act of terrorism is if you believe that the officers' conduct in the video rose to that level.
Apart from throwing the phone, I don't see anything wrong with what the officer did. This has happened to me many times when I am on a traffic stop and have to stop what I'm doing because a "privelaged" citizen wants to interrupt what I'm doing. It's called obstruction and it is an arrestable offense.
You're right, I must be paranoid for not wanting weapons pointed at my face.
IAmHuman, having worked in that industry I have seen a variety of head cases that have some how gotten past the gatekeepers in human resources (I'm sure some would think that I may have been one of them). Yes, some of these people only got into police work because they were bullied when they were children and have decided this is the way for them to get back at all of those "bullies". With that said, they flame out pretty quickly because they can't do the work and are either terminated. . . . . .or moved up the "corporate ladder" to a position where they can only bully the officers underneath them.
Please don't take this wrong, but paranoia in the right amount can keep us from doing stupid things, but like everything else when unchecked can produce some very undesirable results. In extreme instances, paranoia can cause one to "give up" and make the decision to "check out". Unfortunately for the rest of us, this leaves behind a lot of unanswered questions and sometimes a number of undeserving deaths.
Your last post here tells me that you may be starting down the path of too much paranoia due to your constant consumption of a specific type of talk radio, a certain site that talks about this issue all of the time or the friends you hang around always talk about this type of topic. Personally, I enjoy listening to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. However, I can only consume so much of their views or I can start feeling overwhelmed by what is happening in the news that they choose to "punch up".
Remember, these people are nothing more than salespeople and sites that are slanted one way or the other are there to sell something. What is it? Just like any news station, they sell doom and gloom for the most part. If you choose to consume the material from these sites, do it for only short amounts of time. When they start to repeat information, change the channel to some up beat music, comedy or something to bring your mood back up. If you constantly keep yourself in the negativity, you will end up being sought after by the people with the butterfly nets.
No, I was no where near the incident, I live in Alaska. As for the information I know it's called doing research, which I can tell you lack in that department.
The reason I am attached to this situation is that every day I grow more and more afraid of those that are supposedly supposed to "protect" me. This is because there are a large majority of the populous that are attracted to power. Many of these people join law enforcement to gain this power.
very true...never bother officer on a stop. they can ask for him to move, but the officer will tell them after his or her stop...
IAmHuman, I'm not going to argue with you. . . .as will anybody else here. With that said, it is quite obvious that you are very attached to the incident as you seem to know the person that posted the youtube video AND you know so much more about the incident as if you were personally there. I doubt you will bait any officer here into agreeing with you as they will more than likely tell you that they have not seen the earlier part of the incident.
As for the asking the officer to "move" during the course of a traffic stop. . . .I will refer you back to my previous posting as that could be considered interfering in the stop. You NEVER approach an officer during a stop! NEVER! (See previous post for just some of the reasoning)
After asking the officer to move the man got Back Into His Vehicle. In no way did the man or his Family act in aggression toward the officer. So how is it that the officer is Warranted to use Force in this situation? Especially holding a TASER to their heads while they're Handcuffed, Face to the Ground.
Nobody Near the scene attempted to intervene, but instead were recording the situation. The officer told the civilians to leave when recording is entirely inside their rights. In one of the scenes the officer takes a mans phone and throws it, obviously trying to obstruct them from witnessing what was happening, and could even be considered as tampering with evidence.
The officers actions weren't just aggressive, they were an act of terrorism.
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