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Source: Cliffview Pilot
August 29, 2013
Here is what I posted for mz66,
1 why would any officer anywhere pull over a car without letting dispatch know where you are and a description of what you pulled over.
2 If making a stop, why were credentials back in the van? What if the citizen had asked? I can only imagine the response.
3 The only reason, other than limited intelligence and/or vocabulary, for copious amounts of profanity is you know you are wrong.
4 Covert stopping of cars sounds more like a shakedown operation than good police work.
jabatten, your comments show why you do not possess a little bitty star near your name. You are ssoooo wrong with your statement i just had to call you out. Just a few things, The uniformed officer is in charge of an initial contact, Bergen county does not patrol nor has normal jurisdiction on NJ turnpike, the NJ state police do. If you want more examples, let me know.
The Bergen County Officers should have arrested the trooper for impeeding their investigation....PERIOD! I agree that it should never have gotten to the point it was but there are other ways to confirm identity than drawing down on a couple of cops in the middle of a stop!
If I had anything to do with it the 2 plainclothes guys would be cleaning up the dog pound for about 6 months until I made up my mind whether I would allow them to stay on the department. I'm pretty much of a radical cop but I have never seen such disrespect to a uniformed officer in my life...and I have been known to be disrespectful lol! This was way out of line.
Now that I've been fully awake, alert, and over-Caffeinated, i've gotten the chance to re-read the article with the added details. Nothing to add to the comments but to say I'm glad it didn't escalate, especially by that exit on the NJTPK.
I do not know the history behind each department, but sounds like that have some issues between to two departments. The Trooper did show great restraint. The BCP should have been alittle more cooperative with the trooper when he asked them to identify themselves. He is within his right to identify them especially after a plain clothes officer only in a police vest , and an unmarked van with lights is stopping traffic on the interstate. Then after everyone identifys who they are, then turning back to the incident at hand, and everyone working together. AS A TEAM.....NOT INDIVIDUALS. We all wear Blue guys. Lets act like it.
The thing about the merger debate makes me think that there are some resentment issues going on related to it. It also makes me think the county officers just made it easier for the powers that be to justify folding them into the state police.
Having worked in Bergen County and dealt with both the BCPD and the NJSP, I'll say that I'm surprised that the incident did not escalate further (that's all I'm gonna say about that). Kudos to the Trooper for his handling of the situation. I would have approached them in the EXACT SAME MANNER.
The detective from BCPD needs to remember his place when he is out there in plain clothes (don't give me any nonsense about the vest marked "police", they're a dime a dozen). Any time you are doing anything in plain clothes and a uniform rolls up on you, you don't react the way this guy did. A little more time in uniform for these detectives might help them remember that.
I also personally know both Chief Higgins (BCPD) and Colonel Fuentes (NJSP) and if the situation were reversed, I would be confident knowing that the Colonel would do just what I suggested above.
bump MIKIESPLACE. In the story I posted there are some additional details such as:
"The release of the video — obtained by The Record this week through a public records request — comes as a contentious debate over the future of the county police force — and whether it should be merged with the Sheriff’s Office — has been revived. It also comes as separate investigations by the county police and Sheriff’s Office are looking into a traffic stop in which a sheriff’s officer pulled over Freeholder Maura DeNicola, who has opposed the merger."
"In the incident report, however, the trooper said this was the second time this year in which an unmarked county police minivan had made a traffic stop on a highway without notifying troopers in advance."
See more here:
Two Bergen County cops disciplined after dispute with trooper caught on video
in any confrontation with police officers such as this, the UNIFORMED OFFICER has the right of way, so to speak. I watched this vid numerous times. NJSP Trooper was completely in the right to his actions. Plainclothes officer had to return to his unmarked vehicle to obtain ID ? Plainclothes Supr who later responded was totally out of line in the beginning and later tried to smooth things over but the abuse of the Uniformed Trooper had gone on for too long. I also noted that immediately after the initial confrontation with the plainclothes officer, the Trooper maintained surveillence of the stopped suspect vehicle and covered the suspects for the plainclothes officers. Nice job by Trooper, plainclothes guys were out of line.
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