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October 02, 2012
I would certainly need more to make a call on this one.
That's a good question.
On Sunday at our Semi crowded Venue, I saw some Alcohol Induced stupidity by a football fan(as usual). As he's clearly upset his team lost, he's leaving the building and approaching the Monorail. As he's approaching the train, our handler and Service Dog are at their post by the outer gate. The Fan (a male around 30ish)starts barking at the PSD even though this dog was visibly getting more and more excited and being squeezed by his prong collar.
I think most people violate an LEO's personal 'space', although they may not even realize it at the time.
So a bump to Marlyb's question, suggestions?
ssu459 and raphaelmorales I am sorry to learn that has happened to you and your fellow LEOs!
We can see why police look so tense at these events. Their alert demeanor is probably mistaken for aggressive disapproval of the crowd type and activity. A tense climate ensues. Innocent fun-seekers feel like their parade is getting rained on. Some drunks get verbally abusive - taunt the police. Criminal types capitalize on the potential for chaos.
Violence may erupt. Maybe it's a growing trend in the US. Yet, there are many countries around the world where lively street festivities involve imbibing alcohol and the general atmosphere stays friendly. And there's no shortage of "mutts" in those crowds!
Here in the US, we should keep in mind the great service of the vast majority of LEOs who work these types of events. What can we all do to decrease the tension and keep our streets safe to enjoy?
You make a legit point Matt and am certain that this is the way a disciplinary board or court would see it.My friend Rafael is also correct.Having worked many of these types of events in a large city ,over twenty seven years I can confirm that it brings out the drunks,degenerates and criminal element and indeed the Police are the targets of these actions.Have been hit MANY times with chunks of concrete,bottles,rocks,bricks and bags of urine and spit on.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but from everything my LEO friends have told me, it is a big part of their job to keep their cool in "pain in the Ass" situations. The officer's back was to the area of incident, assumptions were made, and he made a rash, emotionally-motivated (it's what it looked like to me) decision.
I'm not saying this officer's years of good service are irrelevant--it's all relevant, but like it or not, Philly will likely have to pay for the fallout from his response. I hope he isn't fired, but I also hope he owns up to and takes personal responsibility for his apparent lack of control in this incident.
As a Det. that has worked the Puerto Rican Day Parade in NYC, They have 2 Days of Pre- P.R. Day Parade Then The parade its self, And i am Puerto Rican and i can tell you The Police are Targets for them durig the Parade even Females In the parade they throw bottles of beer soda, Throw drinks on us from the crowd. I am sure that there is MORE to that video than meets the EYE. You can see the way she was acting before getting slapped, she had a bottle in her left hand and im sure she threw what ever was in it on the Police. The media just shows only half the video to get there ratings up, I pray tht the Lt. does not get fired. If any police officer ever worked this parade especially in a big city knows hat im talking about. Its a pain in the Ass. I have made numerous of gun arrest during this parade. Especially with the Latin Kings, Those Mutts. So all i have to say to the Lt. Is good Luck brother i hope they dont use you as a scape Goat.
Offhand, looks like the officer smacked the women in order to take her down. A bad idea in a crowd. Or anywhere, if it can be avoided. There are lots more befitting ways to collar the wrong person!
Liquids get thrown in street parties all the time. A rambunctious Philly street party does not a rebel insurgency make. Better training would have prevented this embarrassing incident.
Looks like this officer has a very good track record on American streets. More facts are needed.
I definately agree with my friend SargeNcharge.I am aquainted with the Highway Patrol division of the Philly Police Dept. and know it to be one of the finest and best trained units of any Police Depts. in the country.I will not pass judgement and hope that the Lt. is planning on appealing this decision.
it's funny how evryone can always give the criminals the benefit of the doubt...just look at the stay of execution for a guy who killed to people here in Philly....but when it's one of us.....it's a whole another story....i personally know this officer and i can tell you he puts it all on the line on the job...let's not just rush to a judgement ......
I didn't ask about his past in the context of criminal proceedings; for employee discipline and whether to consider termination it is quite legal and proper to bring up the past record.
to mz66 and all, it is illegal to bring up a defendants past during trial, such information can only be used at sentencing, i would hope this highly decorated officer of 19 years gets the same courtesy
I meant prevent,my bad
Justified or not I would judge he was thrown under the bus ,by the city/Chief,to present possible legal action,which is most likely pending anyway.Municipalities are famous for this.
I didn't know he was fired--he was?. I agree--he shouldn't be fired, but he should ride a desk and/or be made to be re-evaluated by an FTO. Was this the only recent infraction?
as out astute member? mz66 has stated, i watched this video numerous times and it is as follows for those who have not, THE PERP WAS A MALE HISPANIC ABOUT 5'10 MED BUILD WEARING BLACK SNEAKERS AND SOCKS, BLACK SHORTS, AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE A BLACK ZIP FRONT SWEATSHIRT, he threw the liquid on the lieutenant and backed away as the female crossed his patch behind the police Lt. from highway. as the Lt turned around, she was the only one standing there, he mistakenly open hands her, seems to scold her, then she is arrested and led away by 2 hwy patrolmen. She deserves an appology and all charges dropped, however, the Lt. should not have been fired after 19 years of service for this, maybe a 5 day rip or at most, a loss of detail to honored hwy unit.
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