I concur it's the best we have, however ,leave us keep in mind that Lady Justice IS blindfolded.My point being; some of us may feel so adament that he/she would rather see a different outcome than allowing justice to take its course.It is not easy ,at times,to see all sides of an issue and yes political hay can be made of anything.
When one has the opportunity to sit back and pick apart a case ,as we do now that the action is over,our demeanor tends to change.THe proof of premeditation is there in their earlier attempt to slay this victim.Whatever we feel our better nature and good sense dictates what must next occur.Of course our justice system is imperfect.The only system which does fit the bill is the Theocracy when the REAL judge returns.
Friend Robocop33, you needn't remind of your political opinion of our government. Suffice to say, irrespective of anyone's political views, our democracy is founded on inalienable rights of the individual and the presumption of innocence in courts of law.
Other states are not so fortunate. The presumption of guilt is the chief engine of tyranny, totalitarianism, fascism and all manner of chaos. Witness the stoning of a woman who has humiliated her kin.
Whatever good the parents thought they were doing when they put a bullet through a man's head is not for us to decide is the better part of justice - not where the rule of law must prevail. You know quite well the law looks quite dimly on premeditated murder as a form of self-defense. Or the defense of one's child.
Your sentiments are shared, but as ssu459 says, and I know you agree, murder is murder.
I remind you that we live in a Republic and NOT a Democracy. Still not the point. These parents were desperate to save their daughter and I am sure that they saw this as defending their daughter against a thing that was certainly going to kill her, be it a slow and pain-ridden death or a quick death one night. They saw this as the only option left open to them as for some reason the LE community failed to help them. The OFFICERS failed these parents and they should answer for that failure, not the parents who took the last resort to protect her.
Fortunately the rule of law provides severe punishment for vigilante murder, however justified it would seem. To allow vigilante murder opens the door for the kind of society we abhor. At the time of this writing, there are countless parents awaiting justice for the rape, murder and dismemberment of their children. We ask them to stay the sword so we may wield it. That is Justice, in action.
Though swift, vigilantism can never be righteous because the sword-wielder is not one man, but all of us - if we condone it. We cannot. We answer to a higher authority. For that duty, in the onslaught of time, we suffer. But we also triumph. Such is the nature of integrity. Such is the nature of our Democracy.
Both civilian and LEO know the nature of the double-edged sword wielded by the Lady, and the scales she holds aloft. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
To suffer and to triumph - surely a purgatory - but the only means by which we prevail.
She did make the decision to live that lifestyle...she was "forced," just as the article states. Often times these girls can not get away from their pimps, for fear of retribution from the pimp. This girl needed help and her family gave it to her, as all other avenues they attempted were not effective.
I know the remarks here reflect strong sentiments. Of course, the parents should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Seventeen is also old enough to turn it around - with help. Seventeen is also old enough to get another pimp.
The parents may have done all they could think of to retrieve their daughter, but it wasn't enough. The daughter had to want to turn her life around. Apart from being a capital crime, the murder of her pimp was not the solution to anything. In fact, it may exacerbate whatever reasons their daughter had for turning to 'the life' as her path.
Many equally grave decisions are made by the very young.
Many heroic ones.
There was another means to hold influence over this girl. Too bad nobody found it.
The areas I worked were the 'Bad part of town' where the drugs, robberies, assaults and prostitution was common. I have seen many of these prostitutes that were under the power of their pimps. Why I have no idea as they were all cruel and sadistic wastes of air. Pimps place the young women and girls in a life worse than death until the body also dies. I hate pimps. One of the main reasons I support legalizing prostitution is to get rid of these soul suckers. If I was a member of that jury there is no way I would vote for anything other than a Not Guilty verdict. His father Charles was wrong, Calvin deserved to die.
Glad to hear that the statement wasn't uttered, "He was such a good boy," like we hear so often in cases like this. That statement always gets me goin.
ssu459
11 months ago
152564 Comments
I concur it's the best we have, however ,leave us keep in mind that Lady Justice IS blindfolded.My point being; some of us may feel so adament that he/she would rather see a different outcome than allowing justice to take its course.It is not easy ,at times,to see all sides of an issue and yes political hay can be made of anything.
MarlyB
11 months ago
4228 Comments
Yes, our system of justice is imperfect. But then again...here on the blue planet...name a better one. ;-)
ssu459
11 months ago
152564 Comments
When one has the opportunity to sit back and pick apart a case ,as we do now that the action is over,our demeanor tends to change.THe proof of premeditation is there in their earlier attempt to slay this victim.Whatever we feel our better nature and good sense dictates what must next occur.Of course our justice system is imperfect.The only system which does fit the bill is the Theocracy when the REAL judge returns.
MarlyB
11 months ago
4228 Comments
Friend Robocop33, you needn't remind of your political opinion of our government. Suffice to say, irrespective of anyone's political views, our democracy is founded on inalienable rights of the individual and the presumption of innocence in courts of law.
Other states are not so fortunate. The presumption of guilt is the chief engine of tyranny, totalitarianism, fascism and all manner of chaos. Witness the stoning of a woman who has humiliated her kin.
Whatever good the parents thought they were doing when they put a bullet through a man's head is not for us to decide is the better part of justice - not where the rule of law must prevail. You know quite well the law looks quite dimly on premeditated murder as a form of self-defense. Or the defense of one's child.
Your sentiments are shared, but as ssu459 says, and I know you agree, murder is murder.
BeachAngel
11 months ago
4154 Comments
Sad for all and no words..
Robocop33
11 months ago
14344 Comments
I remind you that we live in a Republic and NOT a Democracy. Still not the point. These parents were desperate to save their daughter and I am sure that they saw this as defending their daughter against a thing that was certainly going to kill her, be it a slow and pain-ridden death or a quick death one night. They saw this as the only option left open to them as for some reason the LE community failed to help them. The OFFICERS failed these parents and they should answer for that failure, not the parents who took the last resort to protect her.
DALLASCRANE
11 months ago
19386 Comments
I could not say it as eloquently as MarlyB. We cannot be Judge, Jury, and Executioner and have an effective Democracy.
MarlyB
11 months ago
4228 Comments
Fortunately the rule of law provides severe punishment for vigilante murder, however justified it would seem. To allow vigilante murder opens the door for the kind of society we abhor. At the time of this writing, there are countless parents awaiting justice for the rape, murder and dismemberment of their children. We ask them to stay the sword so we may wield it. That is Justice, in action.
Though swift, vigilantism can never be righteous because the sword-wielder is not one man, but all of us - if we condone it. We cannot. We answer to a higher authority. For that duty, in the onslaught of time, we suffer. But we also triumph. Such is the nature of integrity. Such is the nature of our Democracy.
Both civilian and LEO know the nature of the double-edged sword wielded by the Lady, and the scales she holds aloft. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
To suffer and to triumph - surely a purgatory - but the only means by which we prevail.
Our democratic ideals, in action.
jar6489
11 months ago
106 Comments
She DID NOT!*** sorry for the typo
jar6489
11 months ago
106 Comments
She did make the decision to live that lifestyle...she was "forced," just as the article states. Often times these girls can not get away from their pimps, for fear of retribution from the pimp. This girl needed help and her family gave it to her, as all other avenues they attempted were not effective.
MarlyB
11 months ago
4228 Comments
I know the remarks here reflect strong sentiments. Of course, the parents should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Seventeen is also old enough to turn it around - with help. Seventeen is also old enough to get another pimp.
The parents may have done all they could think of to retrieve their daughter, but it wasn't enough. The daughter had to want to turn her life around. Apart from being a capital crime, the murder of her pimp was not the solution to anything. In fact, it may exacerbate whatever reasons their daughter had for turning to 'the life' as her path.
Many equally grave decisions are made by the very young.
Many heroic ones.
There was another means to hold influence over this girl. Too bad nobody found it.
gcoleman
11 months ago
1852 Comments
bump to all
Robocop33
11 months ago
14344 Comments
The areas I worked were the 'Bad part of town' where the drugs, robberies, assaults and prostitution was common. I have seen many of these prostitutes that were under the power of their pimps. Why I have no idea as they were all cruel and sadistic wastes of air. Pimps place the young women and girls in a life worse than death until the body also dies. I hate pimps. One of the main reasons I support legalizing prostitution is to get rid of these soul suckers. If I was a member of that jury there is no way I would vote for anything other than a Not Guilty verdict. His father Charles was wrong, Calvin deserved to die.
headbrer
11 months ago
5034 Comments
I have no words for this.
Doc
1good1bad1ugly
11 months ago
2788 Comments
Glad to hear that the statement wasn't uttered, "He was such a good boy," like we hear so often in cases like this. That statement always gets me goin.