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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

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mz66

over 2 years ago

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Source: Orlando Sentinel


April 01, 2012


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    foxblood

    over 2 years ago

    396 Comments

    Zimmerman is not a cop. Only a cop should be able to fatally shoot an attacker and get away with it the way he did.

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    lanier38345

    over 2 years ago

    2912 Comments

    I don't know.

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    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3854 Comments

    I don't know, ajs--the idea that the law gives you the right to instigate a confrontation while carrying a weapon knowing that ultimately you have the upper hand, then shoot someone dead in "self-defense" seems pretty far out there...just sayin'

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    warose

    over 2 years ago

    496 Comments

    I don't know all the details. and Georgia has a no retreat law pretty much the same as stand your ground and the last i checked it did not give you the right to chase someone down and shoot them when they are leaving the scene. then it becomes a malice act of which you had conscious thought before acting I.E. Murder.

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    ajsdaddyBPD

    over 2 years ago

    3080 Comments

    Lonna, with all due respect, dispatchers are not authority figures. They can neither enforce nor uphold the law. They may recommend actions however people are not under obligation to oblige. That being said, supercop should have backed off. As "neighborhood watch captain" he should have had common sense enough to know to not confront someone off his own private property. In this jurisdiction that would put him in jail for at the very least, disorderly conduct (which enables enough time to do a proper investigation into the other matter).

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    LanaNJ

    over 2 years ago

    6950 Comments

    I agree with ajs on one important aspect here, I'll elaborate. He and others have said "It could have been avioded if Zimmerman(neighborhood watch-Not Cop) would have reported and backed off."

    For a moment, Let’s separate the wheat from the chaff and forget Rhetoric, Marches, hoodies, racism, and the legitimacy of Florida’s “Stand your Ground” law and take a look on how did this tragedy truly unfold.

    It starts with Zimmerman Deeming Martin to be suspicious But GZ still posses the right to dial 9-1-1 to report Martin’s "activity" which in this case draws a lot of questions to what actually that "activity" was if any. Zimmerman's duty as NW, was to report what Martin was wearing, how he was acting and what direction he was travelling, and it would have been better to minus the racial epithet. IMO, It was what Zimmerman did next or failed to do that actually led to this preventable tragedy.

    The 9-1-1 dispatcher informed Zimmerman that police were on the way to his location. The dispatcher then asks Zimmerman, per the tape of the 9-1-1 call:
    Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
    Zimmerman:“Yeah.”
    Dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that.”
    At that moment, Zimmerman was given a Do Not Follow instruction from a 911 authority. Had he complied, we wouldn’t be talking about this incident and Trayvon Martin would be alive. Instead, Zimmerman disobeyed this order and followed, now there's a dead 17 y/o Trayvon Martin.

    For some reason, we have become a culture that deems instruction from authority to be nonsensical. What has led to this mindset I'm not so sure, but we have evolved into a society that feels it knows better than the authorities we entrust with the power to make decisions in serious situations. How many instances, for example, have suspects been shot and killed by police for not following instructions, such as “Don’t move, or I’ll shoot”, "Drop your weapon" "Hands out of your Waistband" ect....? How many injured people have died because people didn’t listen to dispatchers’ attempts to instruct callers on CPR? See, when people don’t listen, we are suddenly dealing with death, tragedy and a host of other issues much like the Trayvon Martin case currently at the forefront of public discourse.

    The National Neighborhood Watch Institute, in its Participants Handbook, clearly states, “Always remember that your responsibility is to {report} crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff. The National Crime Prevention Council echoes the same sentiments. Zimmerman, like many before him, decided to refuse the instructions and authority of the 911 Dispatcher-and look what resulted.

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    Bump ajs! Let the process proceed to the proper conclusion! Regardless, of the outcome there will be those who will still be upset.

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    ajsdaddyBPD

    over 2 years ago

    3080 Comments

    Steven I certainly understand what you are saying. My friend I have not walked in your shoes nor experienced what you have. Personally I can say that persons not affected by bigotry and or racism live a very sheltered life. I can remember growing up it was pretty pervasive, from all sides. I am not condoning that type of behavior nor am I lending my support to supercop. My message is simple, let it play out. Allow law enforcement to do their jobs and believe nothing that the media feeds because we know most of it is horsecrap.

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    ajs, for me I will not go t^t for tat about your response. Racism is in the eye of the beholder and that is all I have to say about that. Emotional responses are based on the individuals perception of the position of the person they are responding to.

    Thank you for clarifying the meaning of race baiting. Is it safe to say an individual can fall in to that definition by expressing their opinion or is the term used for people who do not agree with the name callers position.

    The fact that you see nothing does not mean nothing is there! I cannot support an individual who assaulted LE if they are right or wrong , be it this case or anyother case.

    The problem is as LonnaNJ stated. To deny that issue fuels the discontent. I try to walk in others shoes before I formulate an opinion of who they are and their motivation for saying or doing what they do, just as I have done with you and others!

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    ajsdaddyBPD

    over 2 years ago

    3080 Comments

    Sigh. Ok here it goes. The OJ comparison as it relates to forensics was just that, as it relates to forensics. But while we are on that topic there is a suspect with the victim's blood on him and he is found not guilty.....so much for forensics, and for common sense for that matter. To see my previous comment for anything else beyond what it was meant is looking at it through glasses that are tinted by emotion, and that is the heart if the problem in this conversation.
    Race baiting, to not know the term is walking into this conversation blindly. Race baiting occurs when a certain organization, in this case the media and the NAACP push an agenda where no evidence exists. Racism is related to this shooting how? Was Zimmerman wearing a sheet and hood or something? Does he now sport some SS tattoo that was previously unreported? In my opinion and experience dealing with those types he would not allowed anywhere near those particular organizations. Could be his bloodline, maybe, duh. In my opinion this issue is being pushed, hence "baited" by people with an agenda and an axe to grind. Normally that is done for 2 reasons. 1 publicity and 2 monetary benefit. For those who believe it to be racial please produce some evidence to back it up or simply be quiet because you do nothing besides enflame an issue that does not exist.
    The media. As most of us in law enforcement for more than about 1 minute know, the media is not to be trusted. The media of old that actually reported the news without an agenda is dead. What has replaced it is the new media which promotes a liberal idealism and an attempt at indoctrination. Mind control. All you have to do is look to the former USSR and the current North Korea to see how well that works. Someone posted on this website recently an article by abc news purportedly showing an uninjured Zimmerman walking in to the Sanford PD station. I am wondering, how many of you have responded to a call where someone was injured and not called for rescue to treat the victim AND the suspect? In this Deputy's opinion if you have, you haven't done your job. Judging by some of the comments on that thread it is easy to see just how many folks haven't responded AT ALL and are therefore ignorant of how a crime scene works. The suspect needs to be treated as well, because he has a certain amount if rights. Speaking of suspects, is Zimmerman one? In my opinion yes he is. Will he be arrested? Don't know. Will he be able to receive a fair trial? Highly doubtful. With the amount of media hype this story has received how do you find 12 taxpayers who have not heard of this? See OJ.
    Politics. Is this political? Well it wasn't until a certain someone decided to speak up about it. There are many crimes perpetrated every single day upon many people black, white, brown, green, pink, blue, whatever. How this one pulls the attention of POTUS is beyond me. However now that he has spoken yes you eill have his detractors going after him for it. This was a tragic incident for sure. One that could have been avoided by supercop reporting and backing off. What keeps fueling the stupidity is emotion. How does one conduct a proper investigation when one cannot see clearly through those emotions? One can't. In the end the investigation will put all FACTS on the table and leave innuendo where it belongs, in the trash.

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    Bump Marly!

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    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3854 Comments

    Excellent...and a most subtle way of seguing back on topic without saying "BACK ON TOPIC!" Well done.

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    MarlyB

    over 2 years ago

    5010 Comments

    Look, mz66 the way I see it racism lurks even in those most vigilantly trying to expunge it from themselves. All we can do is do our best and try. That means doing our best to be open-minded. Communicating with one another. That goes for sexism too!

    Here we have a homicide. A media explosion and legitimate concerns on both sides. We want justice done. We want a fair trial, if it is determined a trial must take place.

    I have faith in our system or we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    And...Frankly, I understand the shrill rhetoric. Yes, it IS self-serving and highly political. But if you look beyond the dialogue to the intent, the message is clear. Be vigilant.

    Let's take it at that. Be vigilant. Aim toward Justice.

    That means due process. It means the evidence arrayed in its entirety - according to the rules of evidence. That means impartiality. That means the presumption of innocence.

    Lest innocence be cut down. We can all agree on that.

    Folks have a way of sticking their foot in their mouths when, as you say, the notion of 'race bait' comes up. None of us have the luxury of waving off the concerns of others. None of us have the luxury of stating upon impulse.

    Look what impulse has wrought in the Martin case. Now is our learning time

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    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3854 Comments

    Okay--let me drop the double-speak because people get annoyed when I do that:

    Here are the nuts & bolts of what I said in my last comment:

    If you accuse someone of race baiting that is like wearing a sign that says "I'm a racist, please don't bait me because I can't help it."

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    Bump Matt, that makes two of us! I can smell it a mile away!

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