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Source: Sun sentinal
March 14, 2012
Bump Dave. Howdy Gradyg, Officers don't prioritize their calls that is done for us. We just respond where we are sent unless it's something that is self-initiated. Most of these preventable accidents occur with officers with under 5 years on the job. Maturity and expierence rules the roost. Take care and be safe!
If police officers would prioritize their calls you probably would see less accidents by law enforcement but I have also seen people who do not give the right away to police cars that have the flashing lights going, not only putting the police officer life in danger but their own as well as others. Unless life and death is involved there is no reason to go 100mph in a 30mph zone. GOD BLESS drive careful and be safe.
Very interesting submission Steve and long overdue.There are sooo very many reasons for a pursuit,HOWEVER as an officer/deputy matures he/she wisely contemplates if the reasoning for said pursuit is higher than the risks involved.Due to the crew and assignments I was on was on I found pursuits we're higher than average and usually initiated a pursuit if it were a fleeing felon and or a verified stolen vehicle.The detailed reports we were required to make, following a pursuit, were sometime a deterent to those who wanted to pursue with only a meager reason for doing so.
Bump Copper380 BUMP!
we make decisions all the time that put ourselves and others in danger for the greater good and I do not need to go further into that because anyone with more than a year on the job understands. GOD BLESS and BE SAFE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS because no matter how well intended your actions are we run the risk of losing our job and or our freedom because of the decisions we make. In todays world there alwayys has to be someone held responsiible if there is a tragic chain of events and that will be us. Again, unfortunately we will not be able to convince todays world that we meant to do right when something went very very wrong. I just believe articals like this are only meant to do one thing....MAKE US LOOK BAD IN THE PUBLIC EYE!!
snhadley, I never believed YOU posted this to put any of us in a bad light, I believe the media prints stuff like this to make things look worse than they are as far as putting LE in a negative light and developing a perception that this is a far worse problem than it really is. No Brother, I would NEVER think you would do anything like that. I am fine wiith you posting it, I just wish the writer never wrote it!!!
Now, as for Officers responding to help one of their own. Long time ago we used to run with Blue Lights at least and occasional siren to get to another Officers location when he was going on a call we thought he needed back up on or sometimes even on traffic stops and suspicious persons and whenever he asked for a backup unit. If an Officer stated he needed help then it was ba**s to the wall and we were going to get there as fast as we could and used lights, siren, horn and even yelling out the window if we thought it would help. That ended in the early 80's when you actually had to get permission to respond with lights & siren to ANY call other than Officer needs help and even then only certain units were dispatched and were authorized. Id someone did not stop and sped off you had to contact a Supervisor immediately and let him know where you were at, and why you were pulling him over etc and then he would give or not give you permission to chase. That permission was never given unless it was a suspected dangerous felon. This allowed the City to remove itself from liability and place everything on the Offices shoulders if anything went wrong. That is when we started speeding to calls and for back-ups without using our lights etc. It is all a matter of Government liability and lawsuits now.
So whenever you see a patrol car speeding to me indicates he is going somewhere that he feels he must get there in a hurry, period.
As for Officers in high-speed pursuits; Officers should be able to justify the decision to chase or not to chase. You cannot have a policy NOT to chase as if that is the official policy then everyone and their brother will run. If you chase everyone then you will end up leaving innocent bodies in the wake. The Officer on scene should be able to justify his decision and articulate it to a Board of Inquiry should the feces hit the proverbial fan.
I DO COMPLETELY believe that anyone that runs from the Police should be charged with a dangerous felony and you should be able to legally stop them in ANY way, up to and including deadly force which means you can cause him to crash. Even if that means putting them into a tree or other immovable object and it causes their death.
Additionally ANYONE that runs from the police in a vehicle should be held responsible for all crimes and acts that result from the chase including first degree murder in the commission of a felony if anyone is killed during this chase.
Cededale, the policy for us for pursuits have to have something additional other than not stopping, It's whatever flavor of the week for policy here! We don't chase motorcycles, dirtbikes, four wheelers or just purely traffic offenses unless it s a felony such as hit and run with injuries or something like.battery on a LEO. An officer can initiate a pursuit if they like but if it does not fit the criteria then a supervisor will shut it down. Liability issue!
mz66, Many years ago Jacksonville, FL(I think) tried a no pursuit policy for traffic violations. In 6 months they rescinded this policy as most people just wouldn't stop for the police once knowledge of this policy became widespread. Interestingly enough, and once again I don't know who said it but I believe it was a FL trooper with 10 or so years on the job. He had been in something like 21 pursuits and in all but one there were other reasons the suspect fled that the traffic violation that started the pursuit, usually drugs in vehicle or felony warrants.
Copper380, if you feel that I posted this to make MY and YOUR profession look bad you missed the point by a couple of light years. Most, if not all got the point. Maybe you should read the comments. They may bring this article in to perspective for you! Be safe out there!
I don't think Steven posted this to make cops look bad (duh). I think it was intended as a call to take care and think before engaging in a high-speed pursuit to catch, for example, someone whose window tinting is too dark for regulations (a real example from the article).
sorry, I did not read any comments but feel the need to speak about the artical. I feel bad for the victims and their families but the artical title pisses me off and charging people for accidents is nuts unless they were not in the line of their duty. Accidents happen and I do not see intent to injure in most of these cases. What about the number of people killed every day on our roads that did NOT have an officer involved. Glorify the artical by putting cops and their victims in a single line catches the eye of readers. Sorry, cop hater artical and I am sorry I read it. Why not an artical about speeding idiots that have no reason at all for speeding and their officer victims? I am very sure the numbers would be much higher!! How about the number of people killed by elderly drivers or teen drivers, again I am sure the numbers are much higher. Don't get me wrong, I am not sticking up for cops just because they are cops but I am against people targeting a few instances to make all cops look bad and bash cops just because they are cops!!!
Most officers I know do not speed just to speed, if you do then you deserve what is coming. we are our own worst enemy when it comes to PR and the media will always be right there to help us distroy any good public image we have..
Every day we face the fact we might not make it home. But that does not mean we haft to loose our life going to work or hurt someone in the process. A phone or radio is a lot faster than the car we are chasing. If the excitment is to over whelming then thats a good sign to back off. I hate wake up calls, but we all need them from time to time. Stay blessed LEOs and be smarter than the idiots we are chasing. No LEO should haft to loose his or her life. No LEO should ever take the life of the innocent.
Bump all. Thanks for posting this snhadley.
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