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Trashing Tricare Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

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Source: WASHINGTON FREE BEACON DRUDGE FACE BOOK


February 28, 2012


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  • 3idpatch_max50

    wt259

    over 2 years ago

    418 Comments

    Agreed, SN. However, if one parrots the Regime line, one should expect to get called on it. Not you. But quotes are easily searched on the intertubes, and it's not hard to find them, and who actually said them.
    That said, I guess I shouldn't point out when one quotes, almost verbatim, from a statement from someone in the administration?
    MZ and I are in agreement on one thing, he said that something has to give, entitlements should be the first to go. Along with many of the cabinet level departments, like HUD, Commerce, Energy, HHS, Education, Labor, Interior, and, from what I've seen of Holder, Justice.

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    AJS, BUMP to you Sir! You are absolutely correct this is not about politics. It's about giving those what is due to them. Honor the contract that was signed in our service members blood! I will bet you a dime to a donut that there are politicians on both sides of the aisle that support this cr@p!

    WT259, personal attacks are not required! When this is done to others who have their opinions gets your message lost and tuned out by others who would otherwise agree with you!

    The following was sent to me via email and I am sure others on PL have recieved this as well. It is worth reposting and we should follow it!

    When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well.

    Wall street and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of "tough decision", and the board of directors gives upper corporate management big bonuses..

    Our government should not be immune from similar risks.

    Therefore:

    Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members.
    Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State). Then, reduce their remaining staff by 25%.

    Accomplish this over the next 8 years (two steps/two elections) and of course this would require some redistricting.

    Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include:

    $44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200 pay/member/ yr.)

    $437,100,000 for elimination of their staff. (Estimate $1.3 Million in staff per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the Senate every year)

    $108,350,000 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%.

    $7,500,000,000reduction in pork barrel earmarks each year. (Those members whose jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15 Billion/yr).

    The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve efficiencies.. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the good of our country!

    We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your representative is doing.

    Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when the current number of representatives was established. (Telephone, computers, cell phones to name a few)

    Note:
    Congress does not hesitate to head home for extended weekends, holidays and recesses, when what the nation needs is a real fix for economic problems. Also, we had 3 senators who were not doing their jobs for the 18+ months (on the campaign trail) and still they all accepted full pay. Minnesota survived very well with only one senator for the first half of this year. These facts alone support a reduction in senators and congress.

    Summary of opportunity:

    $44,108,400 reduction of congress members.

    $282,100,000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff.

    $150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff.

    $70,850,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members.

    $37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members.

    $7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress members.

    $8,084,558,400 per year, estimated total savings. (That's 8-BILLION just to start!)

    Corporate America does these types of cuts all the time.
    There's even a name for it.

    "Downsizing."
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    Also, if Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, taxpayers could save a bundle.

    Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.

    ----------------------------------------

    IF you are happy with how Washington spends our taxes, delete this message.
    Otherwise, it's time to "downsize" Congress

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Please consider forwarding, if you agree.

    I have cleaned this e-mail of all other names, sending it to you in hopes that you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I believe in and I hope you all read it all the way through.

    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months and 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc..

    Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.

    I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. Term Limits. 12 years only, one of the possible options below..

    A. Two Six-year Senate terms
    B. Six Two-year House terms
    C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

    2. No Tenure / No Pension.

    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    3. Congress (past , present and future) participates in Social Security.

    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.

    4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.

    The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time..

    LET'S FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree, pass it on. If not, just delete. You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going.

  • 3idpatch_max50

    wt259

    over 2 years ago

    418 Comments

    "The economic realities of today's world demand that we develop a smaller, more agile, and flexible defense". It sounds like you're a speech writer for the Regime, mz. This is the Joe Bite-Me secret ninja strategy, right? Got a hint for you, as it sounds like you've never served, SOF doesn't win battles, they win skirmishes. They don't take and hold ground, because they're not constituted to do that. If you want to win wars, you go with battalions, regiments and divisions, not A-Teams and SEAL teams.

  • Anonymous-killer-whale-232189_1__max50

    Whalewatcher

    over 2 years ago

    11226 Comments

    Another damn good reason not to vote for Obama !!!

  • 3idpatch_max50

    wt259

    over 2 years ago

    418 Comments

    Why should any veteran be included? Again, HONOR THE CONTRACT..... And, I like NTS's idea, let the politicians give up their golden parachute. And, the federal employees first.

  • Crumb_passin_thru_02_1__max50

    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3902 Comments

    Just as an aside--I was given to understand that medically-retired service members were exempt from the fees.

  • 1asteriskshield_ezr_max50

    ajsdaddyBPD

    over 2 years ago

    3122 Comments

    Bump Steven and thanks for weighing in. This issue is NOT about politics. Taking care of our active duty and veteran service members (especially medically retired ones) transcends politics. Whoever is in charge needs to take heed of this particular subject. We ask our vets to swear an oath to protect our freedom, we should do our very best to ensure we honor their sacrifice by making sure the promises made to them are carried out regardless of the cost. Cut in other areas because without the best and brightest in our country serving, we won't have a country left to defend.

  • Cruise_2014_max50

    BigNTS

    over 2 years ago

    6840 Comments

    I think, in this time of economic depression, the President and Congress should give up their LIFETIME medical benefits and 100% pension plans BEFORE they touch any of the benefits of any other government employee. For that matter, this should apply to the State Legislators and local governments, too.

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    I hear ya, MZ and appreciate your comment. I really do not like conflict but I won't shy away from it either. I read the original article and the one you submitted which was more accurate and detailed. Both articles for me besides all the erroneous BS stated the same thing! Which was screw our vet's and current service members. We have enough firepower to decide any war or conflict the US choses to engage in. Technology is great but boots on the ground wins these things!

    As far as the issue of broken promises goes it not only effects the military it is the way this country is headed. The country is headed in this direction IMO because of both parties and their presidents! I say that because it is the way it is and some things should not be touched when promised especially if those are the things that most folks won't do!

  • Crumb_passin_thru_02_1__max50

    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3902 Comments

    Steven, actually your opinion carries a lot more weight with me than many others--and that you spoke out on this topic speaks volumes to me. You know why? Because you don't strike me as someone who is always looking for an angle to criticize this administration from. Your words do give me pause. I did say earlier that my preference would be other cuts.

    On the other hand--maybe the "new recruits" should get a more sustainable benefits package. Recruitment is not an issue as we are trying to draw down anyway. The economic realities of today's world demand that we develop a smaller, more agile, and flexible defense. Something's gotta give--or some day it could be US that the IMF is bailing out.

  • Car_004_max50

    copper380

    over 2 years ago

    2026 Comments

    and once again, I can back it up by experience.......and established by WHO........once again......established?..... opinion!!??

  • Car_004_max50

    copper380

    over 2 years ago

    2026 Comments

    BUMP BUMP BUMP ATOMIC BUMP snhadley

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    Anonymous

    over 2 years ago

    Ok, not that my opinion means anything, but I have sat on the bleachers long enough on this one and I must speak my mind! The current administration has lost their freakin mind! I served over 23 years of my life with the Army! Both of my sons joined in their father's footsteps and one is totally disabled during war and the other is in Afghanistan as I type this! I convinced both of them to join their respective services as their duty to their country! They followed my advice and did what many will not do, 9/11 affected them grately and they joined when most able bodied men ran and hid! Now, this administration wants to turn their backs on what was promised to us and other service members! There is no defense for this BULLCHIT! Now, if they want to change the benefit package for new recruits which will lessen recruitment than that C@RP is on the President and Congress! Honor what was promised, PERIOD! For those who think this is fair then I say,PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR, ARSE!

  • Crumb_passin_thru_02_1__max50

    mz66

    over 2 years ago

    3902 Comments

    I didn't say you had to document--but don't expect me to say something without being able to back it up.

    The facts contained within that piece on Reagan are established. You can dismiss the analysis, but the facts are plain.

  • Car_004_max50

    copper380

    over 2 years ago

    2026 Comments

    so to follow up on your last comment about doumentation.......If I say something I have probibly lived it, been involved with it or seen it first hand.......DON'T FORGET THAT!!

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