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San Francisco Police Seeking to Revisit Taser Debate

San Francisco Police Seeking to Revisit Taser Debate

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San Francisco Chronicle via YellowBrix

January 31, 2011

San Francisco, CA (AP) — In the wake of at least three recent officer-related shootings — including the video-recorded wounding of a knife-wielding man in a wheelchair — the San Francisco Police Department is reviving efforts to equip officers with less-lethal electric stun guns.

It comes nearly a year after the Police Commission narrowly rejected the department’s proposal to even explore using the devices commonly known as Tasers, citing safety and liability concerns.

Interim Chief Jeff Godown and a team of experts will try again in February to persuade the seven-member commission to grant permission to the department to study bringing in Tasers possibly by early next year.

“I hope we give a stellar presentation to the commission, allow the public to have comment and allow us to go out and do research,” Godown said last week.

Use-of-force experts say that a solid case made by the department could win over a commission with several new members citing Tasers as an alternative to deadly force. Critics acknowledge that Tasers are less lethal than guns but say they still pose a health risk, including death.

Amnesty International estimates that about 400 people have died from being shocked with a stun gun. Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for Taser International Inc., said those numbers are misleading. He said medical examiners have said Tasers contributed to fewer than 50 of those deaths.

More than 12,000 law enforcement agencies across the country use Tasers, Tuttle said.

Critics may also cite recent legal rulings involving the use of Tasers.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in December that police must have reasonable grounds for using stun guns. The San Francisco-based court said a Southern California officer used excessive force in firing a stun gun to subdue an unarmed motorist for not wearing a seat belt during a 2005 traffic stop.

Nearly every major city police department in the U.S. uses stun guns. San Francisco is among a handful of cities, including Detroit and Memphis, that do not.

San Francisco’s Taser initiative was rekindled earlier this month by then-police chief George Gascon after two officer-involved shootings within a week involving men with knives.

He said officers were justified in shooting a man in a wheelchair who had been slashing car tires with a knife before he stabbed an officer Jan 4. He suffered nonfatal wounds when police shot him.

Gascon, who is now San Francisco’s district attorney, said that shooting — which was caught on cell phone video, aired on the Internet and made national headlines — could have had a different outcome if officers were equipped with Tasers.

“A Taser more than likely would have ended this scenario probably at the earlier stages, but we don’t have them,” Gascon said.

On Dec. 29, officers fatally shot a man who was carrying a knife when they responded to an alleged stabbing of a teenage girl at the man’s residence. The man was later described as having a history of mental illness.

David Harris, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who studies Tasers, believes that San Francisco police, if the Taser initiative is approved, should create a very detailed policy, training and oversight.

“It’s an educational process and San Francisco has a long history of citizen involvement with police affairs,” Harris said. “These things are not toys.”

Kelli Evans, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, who testified last year against Gascon’s Taser proposal, said: “Tasers only make sense in a narrow category of high-risk incidents in police departments with stringent training, adequate safeguards, strong accountability systems and a high degree of transparency. San Francisco isn’t there yet.”

She also wants police to resume officer training for dealing with mentally ill suspects. Police say their training program, suspended last summer, is being revamped.

In seeking permission to use Tasers, Gascon cited a recent study of officer-involved shootings in San Francisco over five years, which indicated that up to one-third of all incidents could have been avoided if Tasers were used.

“I underestimated the political environment that I was operating under,” Gascon recently told reporters about the commission rejecting his request last year.

Police Commission President Thomas Mazzucco, who said he is undecided after voting for Tasers last year, said there are compelling arguments on both sides.

“Everybody needs to take a deep breath and see what works for the citizens and the officers,” Mazzucco said.

Gary Delagnes, president of the San Francisco Police Officers Association, said officers strongly support the use of stun guns as another useful tool.

“They’ve been long overdue. We thought we had them last year, but the some members of the commission were able to knock it down,” Delagnes said. “We hope to prevail this time around.”

Steve Ijames, a retired police officer from Missouri and expert in non-lethal tactics, believes Tasers are more effective than bean bag shots or pepper spray, especially among suspects who are highly tolerant to pain.

Ijames, who has trained law enforcement officers in more than 35 countries, also recommends police departments use Tasers with tiny video cameras attached to grip of the gun for more accountability.

The camera is activated as soon as the officer takes the Taser out of the holster and turns off the safety.

“It just shuts people’s mouths about what actually happened,” Ijames said. “It removes all doubt.”


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    megapat

    about 1 year ago

    4 Comments

    From a sister who has lost a brother to tasing, I can tell you it can kill if it get in the hand of the wrong police officer, {meaning bad cops}. My brother was tase 4 times, waite 7 times, no I mean 9 times. They change their story so many times. He was also OC sprayed 2 times. They took him to the county Jail, where he died 49 minutes after being carried in by 3 police officers and county personnel. The officer of booking ask what was wrong the in man? They {Police] said he was cracked out. My brither has no drugs in his body. The med. examiner calles bsck to Police station to out what does tasing do to the body, give me everything you have on tasing. This man had the nerve to put in his opinion almost the same reason a the Cheif of police gave dato our local paper. So don't tell me about those people at Taser International! They have medical examiners in their back pockets or i'ts intimedation, big bucks

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    ChiefDC501

    over 1 year ago

    140 Comments

    Anything that the ACLU is against must be good, also anything the 9th Circus-oops Circuit ruled against could fit into that same beneficial category. I was involved in an incident where a Taser was deployed properly (it was “text book”) on a subject wielding a large knife. The man had other medical and mental problems (mostly due to age) but had assaulted his wife and was planning to continue his attacks anybody around. He was transported to the hospital instead of jail after the Taser deployment, because of the way he fell. He died several days (about a week) later due to the other complications. The Taser kept everybody (us) safe and gave him a chance that he would not have had had a firearm been used instead. The man and his wife, I considered friends of mine, and still contact her regularly. Nothing is perfect and there are no perfect solutions, but in the same situation I would not hesitate to have a Taser deployed again. I hope S.F. will think about their officers' safety and give them another tool to use to make coming home at the end of their watch safe and sound a priority

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    Anonymous

    over 1 year ago

    They don't have taser's now????? Every once in a while I read an article on here that just leaves me speechless.... This is one of them.. And bump AdrieK, you are correct! Thought taser's are a great tool they are not the "magic!"

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    CAHPson

    over 1 year ago

    122 Comments

    This article is ridiculous.... at the end of paragraph 9 it says "tasered unarmed man not wearing seatbelt..." It it more than clear that the officer did not just walk up and taser the man...Something went south.

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    Baxter2

    over 1 year ago

    1846 Comments

    A Taser is a great tool, but should never take the place of deadly force when it's justified.

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    JIMROC

    over 1 year ago

    8490 Comments

    Heck with the Civil Liberty Union.. It's none of their business. They don't pay for the workers comp the City does. This is a no brainer on the cities part

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    CadetAK

    over 1 year ago

    3450 Comments

    Someone enlighten me because it's been awhile since I was in field ops class, but whenever someone gets out a knife and especially when they are less than 20 yds from you, is that when you get out the firearm and are justified to shoot? Or does it vary from dept to dept?

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    Stealth4387

    over 1 year ago

    188 Comments

    I could not imagine conducting Police work without my Taser. If I am expecting a fight or someone may run, I just pull the Taser out and let them know I have it. 90% of the time I gain immediate compliance. The other 10% take a ride!

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    bobska

    over 1 year ago

    660 Comments

    Man I would be lost with out my taser!! I think it is a great tool that we have on our belts!! Every Department needs to be issued tasers they actually safe Life's... In a place like San Fran. they need to have tasers!!

  • Beyondthegraceofgodnn8_max50

    TXPD

    over 1 year ago

    332 Comments

    Agreed DenverHammer. It needs to be made clear to people that when officers tazer someone who had a knife the officer was taking a great personal risk and was using LESS force than he legally could have.

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    DenverHammer

    over 1 year ago

    94 Comments

    We are required to take them with us everyday. It goes in the trunk. I have a pepperball gun and 40mm at my disposal why shock them? I have seen the taser make contact and do nothing. I have seen pepperball and 40mm work time and time again. My biggest complaint with them is they are not end all be all with protecting yourself or others. We had a shooting with a person with a large butcher knife and the public screamed all about using the taser with an armed person who just scared his family out of the house with a large knife. Yeah right! The last tool I am bringing is a taser to that fight.
    Its just another tool. If the taser fails your back up plan better have a back up plan!

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    36TR

    over 1 year ago

    6608 Comments

    The Taser is a great tool, and can prevent or reduce Officer involved injury. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE DESIRED EFFECT!!!! Always have a back-up plan!!!!

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    DestructoJr

    over 1 year ago

    76 Comments

    I dont get it...lefties meh

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    alex82

    over 1 year ago

    1680 Comments

    I agree with uslawman 1983 - the taser is a great tool !

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    Anonymous

    over 1 year ago

    I think the camera is a great way to prove all that happened at the time the taster is used.

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