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Grandma With Gun Fatally Shot By Police

Grandma With Gun Fatally Shot By Police

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Associated Press

May 24, 2010

YUBA CITY, Calif.—The son of a grandmother fatally shot by Yuba City police says his mother was likely startled when a census worker and officers showed up after dusk.

Police said they were called at 9:04 p.m. Thursday after a census worker reported a man with a gun answered the door of a Yuba City home. The census worker reported residents of the home pointed a firearm at her, said they would not answer any questions, then closed the door, said police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey.

Officers arrived and arrested 51-year-old Lionel Craig Patterson at about 10:20 p.m. on suspicion of assault with a firearm on a peace officer.

During the arrest, Victoria Roger-Vasselin, 67, approached officers from the house carrying a shotgun, Pavey said. Roger-Vasselin was shot multiple times, dying at the scene.

Her son, Christian Biscotti, said Friday his mother was likely frightened by the late visits to the upscale home she shared with Patterson.

“I think she was just startled,” he told the Marysville Appeal-Democrat.

“In these times, people are fearful and afraid,” he told KCRA-TV.

“Does this look like someone that is going to kill you at your front door?” Biscotti asked a television reporter, pointing to a photo of his mother smiling and holding a small dog.

She was the sister of a former Yuba County judge and district attorney, Thomas E. Mathews, who died in 2005.

There were conflicting accounts of when the census worker knocked on the door.

The Sutter County District Attorney’s Office said she went to the house between 9 and 9:30 p.m. Yuba City police said the visit was between 7:45 p.m. and 8:15 p.m.

A U.S. Census Bureau spokesman, Sonny Le, said the census worker went to the home at 7:45 p.m., about 25 minutes before sunset. Workers aren’t supposed to visit after dark. Le said the worker returned to her car, reported the incident to her supervisor, and it took until after 9 p.m. for police to be notified by census officials.

A neighbor, Bob Dhaliwal, said he was in bed when he heard shouting and shooting after police arrived.

Pavey said both officers were in uniform. The police report said Roger-Vasselin approached the door with a shotgun, refused orders to put it down, and pointed the gun at the officers in a threatening manner before she was killed.


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    copper380

    almost 4 years ago

    2026 Comments

    nwgunslinger:

    You are an idiot! Let someone you do not know point a gun at you and see if you can determine the persons intent to use it!! If you come out of your house, after a person in your house was just placed in custody that had a gun, with a gun and approach the police pointing that gun, expect to get a dirt nap. I don't know about you but my FIRST responsibility is to go home at the end of every shift to my daughter. Our job does require sacrifice and the ultimate sacrifice is made every day by officers defending citizens and other officers. If called to make the sacrifice I will do so in defense of the lives of strangers and my fellow officers but I will put up one hell of a fight. do not lecture us on our duties, we know all to well what the dangers are and think of them every time we kiss our children and spouses before we leave for our tour of DUTY.

    The grandma made the decision to die, not the officers. We do our very best, even placing our lives on the line, to save the life of dangerous suspects to end a situation by peaceful means. If a person refuses to comply and chooses to end a situation by violence we will do so, with regret. But once again, that is the SUSPECTS CHOICE. Do you think we look for an opportunity to shoot people? This is not a thing we want to do and when an officer is involved in such an unwanted unfortunate situation they have to deal with it for the rest of their lives. It goes through your head every day (I am sure especially in this case with an elderly women), did I do right, what if I would have........ These officers did right and do not need a person such as yourself putting other thoughts in their heads, they have enough to deal with by their own thoughts. They need our support not your CRAP!!

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    BeachCop93

    almost 4 years ago

    40 Comments

    1: Officers arrived and arrested 51-year-old Lionel Craig Patterson at about 10:20 p.m. on suspicion of assault with a firearm on a peace officer.

    2:During the arrest, Victoria Roger-Vasselin, 67, approached officers from the house carrying a shotgun, Pavey said. Roger-Vasselin was shot multiple times, dying at the scene.

    3: Pavey said both officers were in uniform. The police report said Roger-Vasselin approached the door with a shotgun, refused orders to put it down, and pointed the gun at the officers in a threatening manner before she was killed.

    Bottom line point a gun at a cop and get shot.

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    Daysend

    almost 4 years ago

    902 Comments

    If you replace the small dog and smile, with pointing a shotgun at you and a grin. Hell yes, old people just dont care and LEO's cannot be expected to risk their life and wait and see if someone "no matter how old" is going to pull that trigger or swing that knife.

    Most little kids are told by their parents never to point their toy's or objects at police officers. Old people know this to, and if the poor lady god bless her heart. Was to aged to be responsible or aware of her actions, surroundings, and able to identify police officers. Perhapse you shouldn't leave shotguns laying around.

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    FireHouseRock

    almost 4 years ago

    66 Comments

    Either way this is a tragedy. While I don't believe it's very intelligent to draw guns on non-threatening people (the census worker) or the police it's still the right of those citizens to posses firearms on their own property. Pointing a gun at someone on your property (provided they are technically trespassing) shouldn't constitute an assault. Needless to say it would have been better to argue in court rather than in person with a shotgun in hand.

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    nwgunslinger

    almost 4 years ago

    6 Comments

    Yea, obviously we don't know everything that went down that night but she should have put the shotgun down. I suspect she had ample time to process what the situation was and understand that the officers on the scene were in fact Yuba City police officers.

    Still, I think that this situation probably COULD have ended without bloodshed. We just have the media's presenatation of the event so we don't know if she shouldered the gun, aimed at an officer with clear intent to fire or if she was just holding it in the crook of her arm and failed to put it down when ordered.

    If she exhibited clear intent to fire on the officers then lethal force was probably the only choice.

    If she just refused to put down the weapon but wasn't demonstrating intent to shoot anyone I think it could probably have been resolved without the use of lethal force.

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    BklynsFinest347

    almost 4 years ago

    2016 Comments

    Census worker doing visits at 9pm? Something sounds suspect with that alone, unless they were the con artists who disguise themselves as Census workers to steal people's identity. But with all that aside, the moral of the story goes like this, "don't point a gun at a police officer". You can be 19 or 99, you're still gonna get a lead shower.

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    shillxsh

    almost 4 years ago

    112 Comments

    nwgunslinger: Well let me think. I am at a call: man with a gun threatening people. I go talk to him, he points the gun at me. I shouldn't shoot him because his life as a citizen is more important than my life? So he shoots me. Now there is no one to stop him from shooting everyone else around.

    You see, the point of us being out there is to stop deranged or misguided people from hurting those who can not/will not defend themselves. If I do not fullfill my obligation of defending myself, I render myself incapable of defending the rest of society when they need me most.

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    BigNTS

    almost 4 years ago

    6750 Comments

    Point gun at cops - get shot. PERIOD.

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    krakin_13

    almost 4 years ago

    470 Comments

    nwgunslinger

    The Rule is 'Threat of life' you don't point a gun at someone that is not threatening you.

    Knocking on your door is not trespassing, even if there is a sign up you still need to verbally state that they are not welcome, even then there is no threat of life... they can stand there until Doomsday come and the earth is eaten by giant radioactive snails and you still have no right to threaten there life, you can call the police and have them removed.

    an officer will use deadly force when there is a threat of life (The officers or others.) when this lady made the choice (Her choice not the officers.) to ignore the officers direct orders and point a shotgun at them that is a threat of life, she showed very poor choices and the officers responded.

    they did not bang down the door wearing ski masks and helmets, these were marked officers in uniforms arresting someone outside (It says she approached from the house.) arresting someone is not a life threatening situation. knocking on your door is not a life threatening situation, there was no need for her to advance on the officers with a shotgun, i don't know what she was thinking but the officers were NOT THE BAD GUYS!

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    fletc

    almost 4 years ago

    182 Comments

    nwgunslinger

    "You chose a profession that may require you to sacrifice your life to protect others. Going home a live should certainly be a high, very high priority but if it comes down to you or the people you protect the concept of "kill them first" so you can go home is flawed, IMHO."

    So you think that an officer should stand there and take a bullet or load of shot from grandma because that's what WE chose to do? You have got to be insane. I am a big supporter of our second amendment, but when you carry the gun, you carry the responsibility, period. That includes grandma, she made her choice. Even though many officers have made the decision to sacrifice their lives for others, it is NOT a job requirement and never has been. The mere assertion of which shows your lack of clarity and begs the question; why are you on this board? You're not a cop and you're certainly not a LE supporter, so why are you even here?

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    snewn

    almost 4 years ago

    108 Comments

    I agree with nwgunslinger up to the point that she aimed the gun at the officers.

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    bluebrother

    almost 4 years ago

    768 Comments

    Bottom line, point gun at police, get shot. Age, sex, color does not apply, the choice to point the weapon at the police is the deciding factor in this one. Glad that no officers were shot.

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    nwgunslinger

    almost 4 years ago

    6 Comments

    First, every law abiding citizen has a right to own and carry a gun in their home. If someone knocks on the door and the homeowner answers the door with a gun then they should leave. No law has been broken and no reason for the police to respond. The census worker was trespassing on private property and was confronted by the owner.

    I always have a gun in the small of my back when I answer the door. You just don't know anymore who's going to be there. Just because they say they're the police doesn't mean they are. Bad guys these days do knock and yell "Police, Open up". The police, on the other hand, come to your door with weapons drawn, ski masks & helmets on looking more like criminals than police officers so the citizen just doesn't know anymore who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

    We as citizens have a rule #1 too that is to stay alive. Frankly, I don't the the first rule of LE should be to go home alive. Your role as LE is protect the citizens you server. Your rule #1 should be that the citizen stays alive. You chose a profession that may require you to sacrifice your life to protect others. Going home a live should certainly be a high, very high priority but if it comes down to you or the people you protect the concept of "kill them first" so you can go home is flawed, IMHO.

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    bstites

    almost 4 years ago

    1028 Comments

    Wow, why would you bring a gun out WHEN THERE ARE COPS ALL AROUND!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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    gumby63857

    almost 4 years ago

    2238 Comments

    That's a bad-a** Grandma. But, what do you thinks going to happen if you point a weapon at police and don't put it down when told too??????

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