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Department Pays Man Who Gave Officer 'The Bird'
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Kansas City Star via YellowBrix
April 16, 2010
OLATHE, KS – There is no doubt about it — people can legally give police officers the finger and tell them “f…you.”
It isn’t polite, but the Olathe Police Department found out recently that responding with a ticket can be costly.
In the latest in a long line of such cases nationwide, Olathe last week agreed that its insurance company would pay $5,000 after an officer ticketed a man for disorderly conduct for those two actions.
The driver, Scott Schaper, will get $4,000 and the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri will get $1,000 for legal fees. Olathe police also must train officers that they have to take such abuse.
Schaper used the finger and expletive in September, after an officer gave him a ticket for failing to yield at a stop sign.
He did it because he was taking his children to school and the traffic stop caused them to cry, said Doug Bonney, legal director for the ACLU chapter.
Courts nationwide have long held that when it comes to such cases, “saying (f…you) and using one’s middle finger to express discontent or frustration is expressive of conduct protected by the First Amendment,” he said.
In words that ring as a warning to police, Bonney said, “This is one of my favorite cases; I love the right to cuss.”
Olathe police referred questions to city spokesman Tim Danneberg, who said, “we will learn from it and go forward.”
While people can do such things, he said, “I don’t think it makes it appropriate for them to treat anyone that way.”
Any concerns the case will lead to a local decline in civility?
“I would say it’s Olathe, Kan.,” said Danneberg, where people are rarely going to behave in such a manner.
Wes Jordan, the outgoing president of an association of Johnson County police chiefs and the sheriff, said most departments train with “verbal judo” to teach officers to take some abuse.
“It’s not easy,” he said, “but it’s one of the requirements of the job.”
While police have to take it, don’t try to extend that finger or use the word in court.
Legal scholars say such behavior toward a judge can get you jailed for contempt.
Samspade30
about 3 years ago
16 Comments
I loved these two sentences I saw a judge give a man 90 days for contempt for doing just this. Ahhh the old double standard you just have to love it.
While police have to take it, don’t try to extend that finger or use the word in court.
Legal scholars say such behavior toward a judge can get you jailed for contempt.
csiguy
about 3 years ago
630 Comments
Good article, but that just shows our kids thats its okay to act like an asshole and you can get paid for it. Oh this country!
HEYSARGE
about 3 years ago
16800 Comments
Another stupid out come. !!!!!
Anonymous
about 3 years ago
BS
masonlee89
about 3 years ago
60 Comments
I know that most of the people on this website are conservatives( from the comments on the gun articles) so less power for the government is better, right? I don't want to live in a world where police can ticket me (which can later lead to imprisonment) if they don't like my language.
skascooter007
about 3 years ago
2010 Comments
BS
AChiefsWife
about 3 years ago
326 Comments
What is our world coming to??? The law already has so little respect by people, now this. What is going be next?
john503
about 3 years ago
18 Comments
Our Society......
Anonymous
about 3 years ago
Yet another example of the American Criminal Lovers' Union at work...
Funny how you almost NEVER see them standing up for law-abiding citizens who have their rights infringed upon...
BForJuvCor
about 3 years ago
846 Comments
What a role model for the kids in the car. Have daddy give the nice policeman a suggestive gesture and accompanying remark! yeah that will teach them some manners and respect. While the ACLU gets paid maybe the Children and Youth Services can do a little citing and fining for the vulrgarities used in the presence of minorsa!
1051dispatcher
about 3 years ago
722 Comments
What BS! Now you tell me that if the Officer "exressed" HIS discontent that he would be granted 5K? NOPE! The First Amendment only goes one way in these cases. I feel sorry for those kids. They see their dad acting like an ass and now they think it is ok. Well more than likely his children will be a "product" of their upbringing and the cops will have them to deal with in the future.
jprs89
about 3 years ago
516 Comments
this is wrong from so many different angles. i don't have time to start the list
mcgev
about 3 years ago
4 Comments
I grew up in Olathe and had my fair share of run ins with them when I was younger for having bottle rocket wars and other stuff like that, and they were, in my opinion, the most fair and nicest cops in the Kansas City metro area. I agree with the fact that he is protected by the first amendment, but that kind of behavior is inexcusable.
maverick823
about 3 years ago
768 Comments
His kids would have been crying a heck of a lot worse if DADDY had been hit by another vehicle with them in it.
Good job officer! Write his butt again
Angelonthewall
about 3 years ago
710 Comments
If his kids were crying, it wasn't because of anything the officer did. His kids learned that daddy can be badly behaved and get paid for disrespectful behaviour. Soooo very wrong...