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D.C. Policeman Accused of Pulling Gun to Quell Snowball Fight

D.C. Policeman Accused of Pulling Gun to Quell Snowball Fight

Two D.C. police officers, on not in uniform, involved in the snowball fight controversy during a winter storm on Saturday. (Screen shot from home video of the incident.)

USA Today via YellowBrix

December 21, 2009



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    Anonymous

    over 4 years ago

    The Chief has bowed to the media for whatever political reason. If any one should be removed it should be the chief

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    Anonymous

    over 4 years ago

    Here are the law violations by the crowd that I observed according to the laws in my state.
    1. Rioting ( Yes it falls under the legal definition)
    2. Assault with a dangerous weapon
    3. Assaulting a Police Officer
    3. Throwing or dropping objects at a moving vehicle
    4. Disorderly Conduct.
    5. Unlawful Assembly.
    6. Impeding traffic.
    7. Interfering with official process/ obstructing officer
    8. Destruction of property.

    Sorry but the crowd was 100 percent wrong. The Officer was justified.

    You don't have to have a deadly threat to draw your gun. Its the threat of death or serious bodily injury to yourself or others.
    One account I read said there was innocent bystanders walking through the crowd getting nailed with slushballs. Everyone here has felt a slushball that could crack someones skull or destroy an eye.
    The detective was justified all day long

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    dolphindell2003

    over 4 years ago

    156 Comments

    These are a bunch of retarded kids causing problems for the police. They won't be talking crap to Detective Bailer when he comes and saves their ass in a fight or robbery or whatever the cause. Anyway I'm pretty sure he probbably thought at first INSTINCT that the pelting of the snowball was maybe something harmful being some type of attack on him.

    MY OPINION HE'S CLEARED ALL... THE ...WAY!

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    vincenzo4

    over 4 years ago

    70 Comments

    hjc4604: Perfect. The abandonment if the street officer is wholesalwe across the country and not new at all. Thank you for your inout and I bet you are one gung-ho life saving Paramedic. Outstanding.

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    vincenzo4

    over 4 years ago

    70 Comments

    I would like to know what MPD is going to do about the multiple violations of law and egregious assault on that detective, or is everyone going to mock and besmirch the detective because he took actions consistent with his training. I am confident there is a motherlode of information here that the video conveniently omits. This entire event struck me immediately as a set-up and I am confident one of those little smart assed kids called a false 911 call from a cell phone as soon as he identified himself to cause a massive police reponse to a deliberately falsified reporting. Now, time that call with the radio traffic of the detective.

    A similar event occurred here several years ago where the detectives were hung out to dry by MPD, whose surveillance went violent in Fairfax County, and the detective was alone with the suspect as the suspect continued to ram the unmarked unit and the detective exercised deadly force.

    The detective was hung out to dry until the attorney general of the commonwealth flat out refused to file charges based on physical evidence at the scene and the detective's radio traffic which included repeated identification as a police officer which brought on repeated high-speed vehicle ramming.

    Again, no one would give a damn if this detective's skull was split wide open by one of these little rich smart asses. Imagine the detective paralyzed for life.

    But hey that isn't kewl man. Don't get all emotional and reality laden with us. Consequences are relative.

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    hjc4604

    over 4 years ago

    6 Comments

    I'm not an LEO, just a paramedic for 30 years and a CCW permitee (as if I should need a permit). It seems to me that, as a police officer witnessing a crime he was obligated to stop and investigate. Falling snow and snowballs are not the same. A snowball hitting the windshield can instantly obscure your vision causing you to strike another vehicle or an idiot in the street throwing snowballs because he's so into the fight he is not aware of where he is or doesn't care that he is in danger. Also you don't know whats in the snowball, it could have some pebbles or rocks picked up while hurriedly making a snowball while under attack. Approaching a large crowd alone places the officer in jeopardy, so he approaches with his weapon ready if needed. A snowball to the face places him in danger by distracting/blinding him which could be used as a prelude to an attack. I was surprised he didn't aim his weapon after being hit in the face. Had there been a rush toward him he would have been justified. I'm pretty sure he would have been under the rules of engagement. He did not raise his gun because there was no rush. This allcould have been avoided if the "adult" snowballers had been adults and had this in the nearby park where they would not have involved vehicles and disinterested passersby. Not everyone likes snowball fights and nobody likes it . when they are driving along peacefully and out of the blue have their expensive car struck by a wayward, or worse, aimed snowball. It pisses people off, especially when they're already frustrated with traffic. The Hummer was probably a car confiscated from a drug dealer and put into service as an undercover vehicle. Detective Bailer's cover is blown. His Chief is an idiot for not even trying to support him. Semper Fi.

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    darsavmo

    over 4 years ago

    11344 Comments

    Snow in our nations Capitol! I thought we are in Global Warming crisis? Are you sure those we not rocks disguised as snow balls?

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    hotpursuit418

    over 4 years ago

    70 Comments

    This not good. But there is more to the story as the video can not show the whole story. Click on the posting by Alexander_Ott. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaZHPkOY68&feature=related and the subsequent U-tube video that follows and it shows the real possibilty this Det thought there was more. Looks like a snowball fight organized by the anti-something movement turned riot.

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    skater

    over 4 years ago

    14 Comments

    This whole event is filled with suspicious details. The organizer seems to be trying to make a living by organizing events such as this one. He is named in the article here- Yousef Ali - and is reached at yousef@futuremagining.com. He has a copyright on his website content, which is a little over the top for a blog. According to his own website, he solicited people to have a snowball battle in the "middle of the street." This, despite some people requesting to use a park only a few blocks away. Now what right does anyone have at any time to just commandeer a public street like this?
    Another oddity is how many people came prepared with professional camera and television equipment as if they knew something was going to happen. Despite some people denying the event was political in part, WJLA has video of several people holding anti-war protest signs including some with a large letter A in them. I guess that's for Afghanistan.
    There was much screaming at the cop after he exited the Hummer and many admissions on the web that the cop was pelted with snowballs, including in the face. A self-described "activist" by the name of Lacy MacAuley, who is connected with Massey Media - I'm assuming she is a paid publicist and community organizer - was interviewed on television and in newspapers and never bothered to explain her connection with Massey Media and reasons for being at the event. But, she was front and center in a Santa Claus hat and demanding to know the license plate of the Hummer.
    The whole thing almost seems like a manufactured news story. The mob even admitted to singling out Hummers - for political reasons. Sarah Massey - of none other than Massey Media - is drumming up a campaign against the police at http://ownthepress.com/ This site makes the Hummer's license plate number public and encourages complaints.
    Although I believe the cop did not handle the situation well, the crowd was worse. This group is part of a growing problem in America, where people can only see their side of a dispute because they only care about themselves. In the youtube videos and internet articles, all these people can say amounts to "we were having fun," and they never consider the fact that it is not their right to throw snowballs at peoples' cars. If it was all about a harmless snowball fight, then why wasn't the throwing just at the voluntarily assembled group. There is a dangerous line of thinking underscored here and it is permeating American society. It will lead to many riotous mobs in the future if not addressed immediately. Someone with power and influence must take a stand to restore rational thinking.
    Also, I think the cop was wrong, but I think he should be defended because the crowd was more wrong.

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    Anonymous

    over 4 years ago

    Rookie Syndrome...???? The guys have 25 years on the job....!
    Gotta tell ya.... AGGHHH... Forget it....

    With some of the comments here, well...
    For one thing this may turn out to be a... Hummer Commercial..???

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    Anonymous

    over 4 years ago

    If we would all go out and buy Hummers global warming would fix this. I'm sorry, I have a bad sense of humor sometimes. Nobody likes getting pelted with snowballs while driving. I would expect that behavior of hitting cars from 12 year olds, not "adults".

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    Alexander_Ott

    over 4 years ago

    572 Comments

    Rew, may not have a omniscient view, but it does show before the detective became involved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaZHPkOY68&feature=related

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    rew706

    over 4 years ago

    10 Comments

    I'd like to know the whole story before condemning the Detective. The video also portrays the uniform officer as approaching with a gun, but that was explained by the news caster.(Very good) What wasn't explained or known, is why the Detective pulled his gun in the first place. Let's get the facts before passing judgement. He may be wrong but he may be right. This is a cops links. II'm going to side with an officer and not condemn him because of a partial video that appears to have recorded the ending.

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    Anonymous

    over 4 years ago

    All in all. no loss of life. coulda been... a riot is a riot. an uncontrolled unrully bunch of holligans and thugs are just that. I know the snow was pretty and we all rememer sweet neighborhood snowball fights, but hey get real people., this is TODAY. At least it didn't turn into something more serious other than a few punks walk away and the officer lives to GO HOME!****

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    AnnieOakley52

    over 4 years ago

    2 Comments

    Think incident handled poorly & officer over re-acted! It was a snowball & once he realized that, he could have "backed down". Not lied & said he didn't have gun pulled only to have video proof that he did pull it out! If no video proof, he could have gotten away with his lie & then a whole different story would be happening. A lie will always come back to haunt you. So DON"T lie in first place!

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